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    10 Jun '14 11:31
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    If it was up to me, I'd get them the food they could eat.
    OK, let's put you in a scenario, seeing as you keep talking about what you would do differently. Do you have the right to let your children die in order that you can feel you haven't "sinned"? Is your personal lack of perceived sinfulness more important than the lives of your children?
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    10 Jun '14 11:33
    FMF: If I declare an abortion to be a religious act,you will support it?

    Originally posted by KellyJay
    No, as I would not support, not getting blood transfusions either.
    Kelly
    So the religious principle must coincide with yours for it to be a right,then you will accept it as a right ?
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    10 Jun '14 11:44
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    a child has been possessed by the spirit of the evil african devil catoplebas. unless the child is starved to death, catoplebas will come forth into our world causing the death of billions. the parents decide that it would be a sin against the sky god mulungu and humanity if they didnt starve the child to death...

    ..should the state stand back and allow them to do it?
    I would stop human sacrifice if I could, I believe I miss read this last time.
    Not too would be a sin for me, and against God.
    Kelly
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    10 Jun '14 11:46
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Now keep in mind once you open that door than anything can be justified, and the choices cut both way as soon as you say never nothing may be saved.
    Choices cut both way? So, you yourself would not perform a mutilation on a female child's genitals BUT you would support a parent's right to do it without the state intervening,is that right?
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    10 Jun '14 11:47
    Originally posted by FMF
    So the religious principle must coincide with yours for it to be a right,then you will accept it as a right ?
    Not totally, I told you I do not hold to specific days, food restrictions, or
    blood yet I respect if those that are trying to honor God do so I will for
    their sake not force my will upon them.
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    10 Jun '14 11:49
    Originally posted by FMF
    Choices cut both way? So, you yourself would not perform a mutilation on a female child's genitals BUT you would support a parent's right to do it without the state intervening,is that right?
    No I would not. As I said earlier as quick as you make a choice then all
    the worse things anyone can think of can now be thrown at you. By law
    millions of unborn are killed, you good with that? Where ever you draw
    a line some place on your side there can be the worse things possible.
    Kelly
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    10 Jun '14 11:50
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I would stop human sacrifice if I could, I believe I miss read this last time.
    Not too would be a sin for me, and against God.
    Kelly
    i asked if you thought the state should intervene?
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    10 Jun '14 11:51
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    i asked if you thought the state should intervene?
    Yes
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    10 Jun '14 11:52
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    No I would not. As I said earlier as quick as you make a choice then all
    the worse things anyone can think of can now be thrown at you. By law
    millions of unborn are killed, you good with that? Where ever you draw
    a line some place on your side there can be the worse things possible.
    Kelly
    So parents have no right to do FGM, but you WOULD support parents letting their children die?
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    10 Jun '14 11:56
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yes
    Kelly
    but you believe the state should not get involved if a parent wants to refuse their child blood?
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    10 Jun '14 12:02
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I would stop human sacrifice if I could
    Isn't letting a child die so as not to anger God by saving it["sinfully"] a kind of "human sacrifice"?
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    10 Jun '14 12:04
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    but you believe the state should not get involved if a parent wants to refuse their child blood?
    No, I don't believe the state should, but there are a lot of things that
    parents or individuals may refuse. There a lot of things they may ask for
    and be refused. People refuse care a lot, they refuse the hospitals going
    all out to try to save a life, or what is left of one. I personally would be
    in the room giving them reasons to do it, but would not force it.
    Kelly
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    10 Jun '14 12:05
    Originally posted by FMF
    Isn't letting a child die so as not to anger God by saving it["sinfully"] a kind of "human sacrifice"?
    No it is not, since they would for their own lives deny the same thing for the
    same reasons.
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    10 Jun '14 12:09
    FMF: Isn't letting a child die so as not to anger God by saving it["sinfully"] a kind of "human sacrifice"?

    Originally posted by KellyJay
    No it is not, since they would for their own lives deny the same thing for the same reasons.
    Self-"sacrifice" or suicide is simply self-"sacrifice" or suicide, I get that. Explain how letting a child die in order to please God isn't a kind of "human sacrifice". Explain it explicitly.
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    10 Jun '14 12:09
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    No, I don't believe the state should, but there are a lot of things that
    parents or individuals may refuse. There a lot of things they may ask for
    and be refused. People refuse care a lot, they refuse the hospitals going
    all out to try to save a life, or what is left of one. I personally would be
    in the room giving them reasons to do it, but would not force it.
    Kelly
    i gave an example of a religion refusing food to a child because it was a sin

    you were given an example of a religion refusing blood to a child because it was a sin.

    you said the state should intervene in one situation and not the other. can you explain why?
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