17 May '05 14:39>
Originally posted by lucifershammerI'm not surprised there are 2 christian points of view. I just said it was intereresting.
Why would you be surprised that there are two Christian views on salvation here?
What dj2 is arguing appears to be the Fundamentalist (a specific school of thought in Christianity; not to be confused with fundamentalist as in extremist) view of salvation; what I'm arguing is the Catholic view of salvation.
Your first question is best answered b ...[text shortened]... it boils down to "If I do not care about the consequences of action X, why should I not do X?"
I used to be a catholic, so theological differences aren't a surprise to me.
You're lottery analogy is interesting. But it is really the reverse of my position. I know I can't win the lottery, so why buy a ticket?
Of course I care about the consequences of my actions, but I'm specifically giving examples of actions whose consequences are mostly spiritual.
I'm saying that, as I'm not getting into heaven anyway, why shouldn't I covet my neighbour's wife? Why should I observe the sabath? I'm not saying that, because I'm not getting into heaven I should be free to murder at will.
So, the consequences of not observing the sabbath (for example) are nil.