A real life dilemma - tonight!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you want to call me a wife murderer, just come out and say it, i
dont mind.

It is you who has introduced the words "wife murderer" into this conversation, not me, robbie.

Originally posted by FMF
So you would provide the transfusion if it was necessary, to either woman or indeed to divegeester or to me, for instance? You should have just said so at the outset rather than getting nasty, robbie.

If i was a doctor i would be under duress to comply with your medical wishes, as it is,
my right of self determination has no relevance to anyone but me personally, why this
fact should have escaped your notice, i cannot say, making all insinuations on the basis
of what others do with their own bodies, look rather silly, dont you think. I was not
getting nasty i am merely questioning the relevance of me or my family to this scenario
and as you have provided no valid basis i must sadly assume its simply another stab
in the back, thanks, its what i have come to expect.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If i was a doctor i would be under duress to comply with your medical wishes, as it is,
my right of self determination has no relevance to anyone but me personally, why this
fact should have escaped your notice, i cannot say, making all insinuations on the basis
of what others do with their own bodies, look rather silly, dont you think. I was ...[text shortened]... ust sadly assume its simply another stab
in the back, thanks, its what i have come to expect.

Now you've become kind of unclear. You would provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary or you wouldn't?

Originally posted by FMF
Now you've become kind of unclear. You would provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary or you wouldn't?

I wouldn't take a blood transfusion, my right of self determination has relevance only to
me, what other people do with their own bodies is for them to decide, why are you
asking me what they should do with their own bodies if it has nothing to do with me?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I wouldn't take a blood transfusion, my right of self determination has relevance only to
me, what other people do with their own bodies is for them to decide, why are you
asking me what they should do with their own bodies if it has nothing to do with me?

I am not asking you about what you think people "should do with their own bodies", robbie, as you well know. And I am not asking you whether you would "take a blood transfusion" - again - as you well know. I am asking you if you would provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary or whether you would not?

Originally posted by FMF
I am not asking you about what you think people "should do with their own bodies", robbie, as you well know. And I am not asking you whether you would "take a blood transfusion" - again - as you well know. I am asking you if you would provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary or whether you would not?

its irrelevant what i think they should do with their own bodies, that's for them to
decide. why is it irrelevant? because i have no jurisdiction over what a person does or
does not wish to happen to their own bodies, this is the very essence of the right of self
determination, your questions are ignoring this rather fundamental premise and are
looking rather silly as a consequence.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its irrelevant what i think they should do with their own bodies, that's for them to
decide. why is it irrelevant? because i have no jurisdiction over what a person does or
does not wish to happen to their own bodies, this is the very essence of the right of self
determination, your questions are ignoring this rather fundamental premise and are
looking rather silly as a consequence.

As I made quite clear in the previous post, the question I am asking you is not about "what [you] think other people should do with their own bodies", nor is it about whether you have "jurisdiction over what a person does" or what "happens to [other people's] bodies".

The question I am asking you is, would you - or would you not - provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary? There it is, point blank, again.

Originally posted by FMF
As I made quite clear in the previous post, the question I am asking you is not about "what [you] think other people should do with their own bodies", nor is it about whether you have "jurisdiction over what a person does" or what "happens to [other people's] bodies".

The question I am asking you is, would you - or would you not - provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary? There it is, point blank, again.

you are asking me what medical treatment other people should seek? that's up to
them. If i was a doctor, which i am not, i am under duress to comply with the patients
wishes, if they wished a blood transfusion, i would be under duress to administer it, if
they did not, i would also be under duress to support their wishes and seek alternative
treatment, thankfully i am not a doctor.

I repeat, what other people wish to do with their own bodies is their business, not
mine. There is it, point blank, AGAIN.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are asking me what medical treatment other people should seek?

No, robbie. I'm not asking you that. I am asking you, point blank, yet again, would you - or would you not - provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I repeat, what other people wish to do with their own bodies is their business, not
mine. There is it, point blank, AGAIN.

You are repeating an answer to a question I am not asking. Here, for the fourth or fifth time, is the question you are avoiding: would you provide a blood transfusion if it were necessary to do so?

Originally posted by divegeester
This is not another 'academic' JW blood transfusion argument thread, this is real life. I honestly state that this is absolutely genuine - happening to me tonight.

My wife is quite ill and has been taken into hospital suddenly today as she has been diagnosed today as being acutely anaemic, to the point of struggling to climb a flight of stairs, dizzi ...[text shortened]... erious question to JWs and anyone else with a view on blood transfusions is, what should I do?

hope you and your good wife are doing well. im sure whatever peoples beliefs are on this forum we have all at some point spent time sat in hospital waiting rooms, nerves jangling and that horrible sickening feeling in the pit of our stomach and can empathize with you. your post certainly brought back some memories for me.



id go for the transfusion in a blink of an eye. its just a liquid that transports oxygen around the body. i thought jw's had moved on and now accepted blood, or so i was told by a jw i used to work with.

Originally posted by FMF
No, robbie. I'm not asking you that. I am asking you, point blank, yet again, would you - or would you not - provide blood by way of a transfusion if it was necessary?

your question has no relevance to me, ignores the principle of self determination
entirely and is therefore rather silly, what other people do with their own bodies is their
affair, not mine, end of.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
hope you and your good wife are doing well. im sure whatever peoples beliefs are on this forum we have all at some point spent time sat in hospital waiting rooms, nerves jangling and that horrible sickening feeling in the pit of our stomach and can empathize with you. your post certainly brought back some memories for me.



id go for the transfus ...[text shortened]... thought jw's had moved on and now accepted blood, or so i was told by a jw i used to work with.

actually the medical profession has moved on and there are now lots of alternative
treatments, but you never knew that, clearly you need to check your sources, once
again, they prove to be inaccurate. Do you people ever get anything right?