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Originally posted by no1marauderYes, I do believe there are God given rights that people have that no
Do you believe that people have fundamental rights that no government can legitimately take away? Yes or no? You've written your moralistic blatherings over and over and over again; we get it "people are doing things KellyJay thinks are wrong because we're an evil, depraved race, and if we would just listen to the great wisdom of KellyJay and do every ...[text shortened]... t the same thing; why don't you attempt to actually discuss the issues rather than pontificate?
government should be able to take away, but the reality is that
governments can and do take away those rights at will. It also does
not stop with governments doing that either. Society and individuals
too can take away rights from those within their power and influence
as well; it is the way of this world as it now stands. Recognizing what is
and isn’t a fundamental right is as important as the right itself,
recognizing what is worthy to be called valuable is just as important
too.
Currently we live in a world where it isn't always recognized what is
valuable and what isn't. If you or I claim we have a right it must be
recognized as valid and real, the source of that right must be
recognized as legitimate, it is worse for the use of the word “worth”,
though similar to the word ‘right’, something must be valued to carry
any worth. It is totally within each person what it is they value or not,
if they don’t feel something is worthy within them it isn’t. It doesn’t
change what it is they are thinking about when it comes to what is
worthy or not, it goes only to how they view it nothing more.
Different women can get become pregnant at the same time, with one
what is in her is dearly beloved, with the other a germ to be aborted
as soon as she can, they are both carrying the same type thing within
them, at the same level of development as far as the universe is
concern, but within the heart of the women they have the different
values attached to them. The universe is what it is, it does not change
because of the way we view things, our perceptions may change, but a
blue sky is a blue sky no matter what we think about the color blue, it
can be a favorite color or a disliked one.
I believe it was you who said that you did not need to engage in a
debate or discussion about when a person exists, because such a
discussion was merely all subjective judgments. If it wasn’t you I’m
sorry; I looked for the exact quote and could not find it. To that point
I agree, we may give reasons, apply our variables, expose our criteria
to reach “personhood”, or “human life” whatever word we use as the
plateau of worth or value, but it is all subjective. The same thing is
true with the word ‘right’, if the source of our rights is not recognized it
too becomes nothing more than a subjective argument with the
banter being thrown back and forth on what is and isn’t fair and just.
We may recognize God as the author of the universe or not, it does
not change what the universe is. With all of our talk about worth and
rights, nothing we say changes anything in the universe, it all remains
what it is. I was not amazed at the reaction you gave to my question
when I asked how old the child would be had they not aborted him or
her. The fact that had that abortion not taken place, we would see
either a boy or girl who would have met everyone’s current criteria of
worth, shows us what was destroyed really was. That life simply was
cut short as it was unfolding, and it was yet revealed what kind of
person they were going to be.
Truth is what it is no matter what we think about it, our perceptions
don’t change the universe, only our views of it. Recognizing what is
right before our eyes sometimes is difficult because of our
preconceived ideas, but like William Shakespeare wrote in Romeo
and Juliet,
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would
smell as sweet."
We can do what we will, assign values to what we see, give our
blessings of worth with all the appropriate rights we deem is required,
but all things within the universe remains what they are. How we deal
with the universe reveals our hearts, someone who sees something
they want and they are willing to take it, even if it belongs to another
show what they are inside. How we deal with each other reveals if we
are hateful, mean spirited, graceful, merciful, or honest and so on.
When we place our family below our friends, when we speak lies,
where we place our priorities show what we are inside. Out of our
mouths come what is inside of us, the universe as we walk in it
reveals us for what we really are.
My goal in this is simply pointing out what it is that abortion does,
kill that life that is forming within. My hope is that what is within
is revealed to be what it is, a human life forming within, and a child
that may like spaghetti, that may draw pictures to be put on the
refrigerator, who may hide behind a blanket while keeping one eye
on the TV sitting beside the parent on the couch, and so on. In the
hope that seeing it as it is, our natural desire to care for our young
would make him or her valuable to us, so that the choice before
each one is not made to abort, because that life is valuable, to
valuable to cast away as if it were nothing but germ that causes bad
breath as you have painted it.
Kelly