Originally posted by ZahlanziThe slaughter of Jericho indeed came from God. It was God's will that every Canaanite be killed, and Joshua was God's instrument in this. As it turns out, not every Canaanite was killed and the Hebrews took up with some of them, learning their false gods, and this sin was one factor which led eventually to the Babylonian Exile in 586 BC.
this episode has a happy ending. the slaughter of jericho doesn't. the inquisition, the social inequality in the middle ages, the bombings of 9/11, they all come from blind faith. and they don't have a happy ending.
All the rest, the Inquisition, the Dark Ages, 9/11, all were brought about by sinful men. Faith had nothing to do with any of those. In fact, I'll go so far as to claim they were all made possible by a supreme lack of faith.
Originally posted by menace71i met a guy named thor, i guess that must mean that thor was a real god, or what... his parents pulled that name out of their asses? you need to find a better argument. when you do so, get back to me.
Your knowledge of history is somewhat void LOL 🙂 There are Arab tribes today that have the son's of Abraham as their tribal names. I guess they just pulled these names out of their @$$es ? Why would it be fictional? Lastly who said the price for sin was not blood? People always want a flowery God to fit their flowery world view.
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Originally posted by Suziannesomething going on since antiquity doesn't make it something good. only a blood thirsty demented god would require blood sacrifice. abraham chose his god poorly. can't blame him really, he was after all, just a barbarian.
I almost missed this.
I'll just say that this is "in YOUR opinion". Animal sacrifice had been going on from the time of Cain and Abel up to Abraham's time and it was later codified in the laws Moses handed down from God to the Hebrews.
Originally posted by RJHindsyou like taking things into the realm of the absurd don't you?
Your grandfather and great grandfather are also likely fictional characters
and any stories you heard about them have just been made up so you
will obey your parents. But since you know better, it didn't work. Did it?
Originally posted by Suziannedo you listen to what you are saying? the slaughter came from god? the benevolent god that sent us jesus? jesus who said love your enemy? and forgiveness can always be achieved?
The slaughter of Jericho indeed came from God. It was God's will that every Canaanite be killed, and Joshua was God's instrument in this. As it turns out, not every Canaanite was killed and the Hebrews took up with some of them, learning their false gods, and this sin was one factor which led eventually to the Babylonian Exile in 586 BC.
All the rest, ...[text shortened]... In fact, I'll go so far as to claim they were all made possible by a supreme lack of faith.
Originally posted by ZahlanziAgain I say, a "benevolent" God? Do you listen to what you are saying? Does a "benevolent" God drown the entire planet?
do you listen to what you are saying? the slaughter came from god? the benevolent god that sent us jesus? jesus who said love your enemy? and forgiveness can always be achieved?
There is no "benevolence" to be had when you are talking about sin. Pretty simple, really.
As an aside, I thought you leaned towards Christianity as your belief system. So do you pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe today?
Originally posted by SuzianneDoes a "benevolent" God drown the entire planet?
Again I say, a "benevolent" God? Do you listen to what you are saying? Does a "benevolent" God drown the entire planet?
There is no "benevolence" to be had when you are talking about sin. Pretty simple, really.
As an aside, I thought you leaned towards Christianity as your belief system. So do you pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe today?
nope😀 he doesn't.
There is no "benevolence" to be had when you are talking about sin
jesus says otherwise. there is forgiveness for every sin.
So do you pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe today?
yep, pretty much. some are stupid. some are horrible and stupid. some are just horrible
Originally posted by VoidSpiritBlasphemy, whether cloaked in the guise of joking around or not, is still blasphemy.
something going on since antiquity doesn't make it something good. only a blood thirsty demented god would require blood sacrifice. abraham chose his god poorly. can't blame him really, he was after all, just a barbarian.
Originally posted by ZahlanziJesus Christ changed the entire spiritual landscape. 1200 years before Christ, which is what we were talking about here, the rules were very different. There was no Savior, no Messiah. Sin was a much more serious thing when it was your own personal responsibility. You had to pay its cost entirely on your own.
There is no "benevolence" to be had when you are talking about sin
jesus says otherwise. there is forgiveness for every sin.
As it is now, there is no forgiveness without repentance, either. Something CiNO's like you should keep in mind.
Originally posted by SuzianneSomething CiNO's like you should keep in mind.
Jesus Christ changed the entire spiritual landscape. 1200 years before Christ, which is what we were talking about here, the rules were very different. There was no Savior, no Messiah. Sin was a much more serious thing when it was your own personal responsibility. You had to pay its cost entirely on your own.
As it is now, there is no forgiveness without repentance, either. Something CiNO's like you should keep in mind.
And Suzianne slaps down the 'True Christian™' card.
Originally posted by Suzianneaaa, i recognize this. this is something the dudes claiming god to be an eternal immutable spirit do to address how god changed in the new testament. was he going to a mid eternity crisis in the old testament? did the birth of a son soften him up?
Jesus Christ changed the entire spiritual landscape. 1200 years before Christ, which is what we were talking about here, the rules were very different. There was no Savior, no Messiah. Sin was a much more serious thing when it was your own personal responsibility. You had to pay its cost entirely on your own.
As it is now, there is no forgiveness without repentance, either. Something CiNO's like you should keep in mind.
you must admit, there is a huge change in those 1200 years. he went from the smiting, vengeful, jealous, petty, cruel, infanticidal, genocidal, etc to a very nice guy.
now, he could have been having a mid eternity crisis as i proposed though 1200 might be a really small period to change for an eternal being for which time has no meaning , or he god tired of the poop the savages were doing in his name and sent his son to correct the morons and tell them to stop being diks to one another and love each other.
i kinda find it more probable that the patriarchal savage society of the old testament invented some laws to justify keeping their women as near slaves and conquering some countries and not bothering with assimilation and just straight genocide the crp out of them (the canaanites) . the alternative would be that god is having mood swings. which would not be so pleasant. maybe we might get another "kill your daughter if she is not a virgin" period next years if god feels like it.
oh btw, the canaanites weren't given much opportunity for repentance. as you know, canaan was promissed to abe, and god said, "you would have to wait a few hundred years, they are not evil enough to smite, but they are getting there". seems like their fate was sealed already. not to mention that jesus doesn't give a timeframe on when to repent or face death at the hands of a chosen people.
CiNO? hmm, sounds unpleasant, what is it?
Originally posted by ZahlanziCiNO = Christian in Name Only.
aaa, i recognize this. this is something the dudes claiming god to be an eternal immutable spirit do to address how god changed in the new testament. was he going to a mid eternity crisis in the old testament? did the birth of a son soften him up?
you must admit, there is a huge change in those 1200 years. he went from the smiting, vengeful, jealous, pet ...[text shortened]... r face death at the hands of a chosen people.
CiNO? hmm, sounds unpleasant, what is it?
Originally posted by Suziannehe is saying that because since he doesn't believe god exists, in his view, blasphemy is a victimless crime. because the victim doesn't exist.
This is the lie children are told which indoctrinates them into a lifetime of sin. Blasphemy is a sin unto God, which is the most serious of sins.
from my point of view, i would not commit blasphemy because it would be rude towards god. and i would not want to jeopardise our friendship. but if i were to commit blasphemy, i figure god might not care. him being the supreme being and all. it would kinda like me getting annoyed that a chatbot called me a moron and throw my laptop out the window.