1. Pale Blue Dot
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    09 Sep '11 07:09
    What would you think if you asked your neighbour why he was building a large stone table in his backyard, and he said, "I'm building an altar because God has commanded me to sacrifice my son as a whole burnt offering. Won't you come to the ceremony tomorrow morning?" All agree that the neighbour should be committed to a mental hospital.

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    09 Sep '11 07:40
    Originally posted by Green Paladin
    What lesson is to be learned from Abraham's relationship with God?
    Don't base your view of the truth on what the neighbours say?
  3. Pale Blue Dot
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    09 Sep '11 10:37
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Don't base your view of the truth on what the neighbours say?
    Clearly. But what are we (who lack a belief in God) to make of our neighbours who, like Abraham, are sometimes able to justify monstrous acts on the basis of some perceived special relationship with God? And how do theists understand God's injunction to immolate Isaac?
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    09 Sep '11 15:09
    Originally posted by Green Paladin
    What would you think if you asked your neighbour why he was building a large stone table in his backyard, and he said, "I'm building an altar because God has commanded me to sacrifice my son as a whole burnt offering. Won't you come to the ceremony tomorrow morning?" All agree that the neighbour should be committed to a mental hospital.

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    What lesson is to be learned from Abraham's relationship with God?
    The lesson? I think one of them is, "So you know all about God do you"?

    Nope.
  5. Donationrwingett
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    09 Sep '11 15:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    The lesson? I think one of them is, "So you know all about God do you"?

    Nope.
    What good is a god who is unknowable?
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    09 Sep '11 15:58
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What good is a god who is unknowable?
    Creates opportunities aplenty for middlemen.
  7. Donationrwingett
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    09 Sep '11 15:59
    Originally posted by FMF
    Creates opportunities aplenty for middlemen.
    Whether that's 'good' or not is debatable.
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    09 Sep '11 16:031 edit
    Originally posted by Green Paladin
    Clearly. But what are we (who lack a belief in God) to make of our neighbours who, like Abraham, are sometimes able to justify monstrous acts on the basis of some perceived special relationship with God? And how do theists understand God's injunction to immolate Isaac?
    a benevolent god would not accept human sacrifices, therefore that neighbour is either insane or, as the case of abraham, being tested by the benevolent god and failing (as abraham did).


    if the god is not benevolent we are fuked anywhow.


    in ANY the above cases, your duty as a human being is to stop your neighbour from killing his son or anyone else for that matter.
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    09 Sep '11 17:01
    Originally posted by Green Paladin
    What would you think if you asked your neighbour why he was building a large stone table in his backyard, and he said, "I'm building an altar because God has commanded me to sacrifice my son as a whole burnt offering. Won't you come to the ceremony tomorrow morning?" All agree that the neighbour should be committed to a mental hospital.

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    What lesson is to be learned from Abraham's relationship with God?
    Abraham was from a religious culture of human sacrifice, and the Abrahamic God, like Quetzalcoatl, wanted it to stop.
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    09 Sep '11 18:32
    god only asked of abraham, nothing he would not do himself
  11. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Sep '11 02:59
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What good is a god who is unknowable?
    If you can know Jesus, that is good enough. We are only human and
    Jesus presented God so we could understand Him, since He was the
    Son of God.
  12. Standard memberRJHinds
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    10 Sep '11 03:02
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    a benevolent god would not accept human sacrifices, therefore that neighbour is either insane or, as the case of abraham, being tested by the benevolent god and failing (as abraham did).


    if the god is not benevolent we are fuked anywhow.


    in ANY the above cases, your duty as a human being is to stop your neighbour from killing his son or anyone else for that matter.
    But Abraham did not fail His test. For the Holy Bible said his faith was
    counted to him as righteousness.
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    10 Sep '11 03:04
    Originally posted by Green Paladin
    What would you think if you asked your neighbour why he was building a large stone table in his backyard, and he said, "I'm building an altar because God has commanded me to sacrifice my son as a whole burnt offering. Won't you come to the ceremony tomorrow morning?" All agree that the neighbour should be committed to a mental hospital.

    Robert Adams

    What lesson is to be learned from Abraham's relationship with God?
    one psychological nutter found another.
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    10 Sep '11 04:07
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If you can know Jesus, that is good enough. We are only human and
    Jesus presented God so we could understand Him, since He was the
    Son of God.
    Apparently not good enough for many
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    11 Sep '11 00:511 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    But Abraham did not fail His test. For the Holy Bible said his faith was
    counted to him as righteousness.
    abraham failed his test

    he was asked by a benevolent god, a god he knew to be benevolent and a god doesn't want killing, to kill his son. and he agreed. that's fail.

    the bible speaks of his awesome faith when it should be speaking about the horrors blind faith can bring to being.
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