Originally posted by galveston75You know that I haven't much faith in the biblical god. He cannot do anything.
You should feel neither. You put your trust in mans writings but not God's..How dangerous.
Let me remind you: The bible is written by man's hand, not god's.
You are scared of him? I'm not.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasIs your concept that if the Bible were authored by God then "man's hand" would be nowhere involved?
You know that I haven't much faith in the biblical god. He cannot do anything.
Let me remind you: The bible is written by man's hand, not god's.
You are scared of him? I'm not.
Do you envision that a real book by God would come floating down from the sky with no involvement of "man's hand" whatsoever ?
If so that is not my view of divine inspiration.
How much of this Bible have you actually read ? I notice that with a lot of people the less they read the Bible the more they consider themselves an expert on it.
Have you ever read the entire Bible from cover to cover?
Originally posted by WulebgrI think archeology militates against the Israelites having come to the Americas. I don't buy the Mormon account. However the Polynesian/Pacific peoples may have sailed across to the Americas. The book of Mormon corresponds to nothing in actual history. There are no reference points geographically in the book of Mormon. At least the bible talks about real places that can be seen to this day.
I'm just wondering because the notion that the Americas were peopled by folks coming across the South Atlantic, perhaps Israelites, is an old story, confirmed by the unearthing of some no longer extant golden tablets in the 1820s.
That view seems to run against the deceptions of science.
Manny
Originally posted by jaywillMy opinion is that the early bible was written by men with a political agenda, to unify the people, to put out rules and laws on how to act to eachother, and to create a unified religion out of a chaotic religious mix.
Is your concept that if the Bible were authored by God then "man's hand" would be nowhere involved?
Do you envision that a real book by God would come floating down from the sky with no involvement of "man's hand" whatsoever ?
If so that is not my view of divine inspiration.
How much of this Bible have you actually read ? I notice that with a ...[text shortened]... themselves an expert on it.
Have you ever read the entire Bible from cover to cover?
In many places there is a feeling of "We are better than them. Let's fight them." Sounds very much politics to me. The new testament shows another side though.
How much of the bible have I read? From cover to cover, no I haven't. Don't I have the right to have opinions about christianity? Often I think I've read more of the bible than many christians I've met with far stronger opinions than mine. I haven't read Mein Kampf from cover to cover either, but still I have opinions about nazism.
If the bible was inspired by the holy spirit, then there would be no contradictions and no paradoxes. The bible would then be without flaws, in there original texts and the translations that came. It would have been found in it's entirety and not have to be collected from various sources. Its words would have been protected in order to bring the truth to the people.
Therefore I cannot believe that it is writtn by god, written by men with gods hand, written by inspiration by god. It's just written and compiled. Nothing more. A nice collection of historical documents of another culture from another time.
Originally posted by menace71Perhaps you should pray and ask God if it's true.
I think archeology militates against the Israelites having come to the Americas. I don't buy the Mormon account. However the Polynesian/Pacific peoples may have sailed across to the Americas. The book of Mormon corresponds to nothing in actual history. There are no reference points geographically in the book of Mormon. At least the bible talks about real places that can be seen to this day.
Manny
Like the fossils that God planted to mimic evolution and test the trueness of the faith of his people, the Book of Mormon has stories that must be accepted on faith rather than secular knowledge.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYour missing the whole point of it being written by man. If the Bible was written in heaven somehow and then in view of all on earth at that time or anyother time, and not touched by man in anyway and then distributed by God to all even as the earth gained in population, would you believe then?
My opinion is that the early bible was written by men with a political agenda, to unify the people, to put out rules and laws on how to act to eachother, and to create a unified religion out of a chaotic religious mix.
In many places there is a feeling of "We are better than them. Let's fight them." Sounds very much politics to me. The new testament sh ...[text shortened]... more. A nice collection of historical documents of another culture from another time.
It could never happen that way. The only writting that was done by God's hand were the ten commandments which were protected by God's people at that time and then later lost. If they had survived we can only imagine the greed and stupidity that humans would have commited if it were in the wrong hands.
Why would the Bible be any different if it had been directly written by God? What stupid and greedy things would happen?
But now the real test in "Faith" comes to all since it was written by man but inspired by God.
Also the Bible has not ever contridicted itself. If it seems to you that it does then more research needs to be done by yourself. But if one is looking to find what they believe to be wrong in the Bible, as in anything else in the world you don't agree with, your mind will find it even though it's really not there.
Originally posted by WulebgrGod planted fossils ? To mimic evolution?
Perhaps you should pray and ask God if it's true.
Like the fossils that God planted to mimic evolution and test the trueness of the faith of his people, the Book of Mormon has stories that must be accepted on faith rather than secular knowledge.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75We are totally agree on that the bible is not written by god. Some christians say so, but they are mistaken.
Your missing the whole point of it being written by man. If the Bible was written in heaven somehow and then in view of all on earth at that time or anyother time, and not touched by man in anyway and then distributed by God to all even as the earth gained in population, would you believe then?
It could never happen that way. The only writting that wa ...[text shortened]... the world you don't agree with, your mind will find it even though it's really not there.
If the bible is written by men with the inspiration of god or the holy spirit, inlikely in my opinion, it wouldn't been written as a series of stories, not very intelligent stories I might add, see the story of Simson, and it wouldn't be with all these flaws as it is.
But what are we reading when we talk about the bible? It is a series of copied, translated, recopied, and sometimes retranslated. We are not reading the words of god, not even close. For that we should have the original texts, and we havn't. If we treat the translated scripture, then we have to choose between the several different translations that are not consistent with eachother. Where was the holy spirit when they were translated so they wouldn't have the differences between the various translations? Very unlikely.
Then there are readings. By different men, reulting in several different enterpretations. If the holy spirit were there and guided them, then the result would be (more or less) the same. And there would be any disputes between the different branches of the christianity. No inspiration by any spirit, holy or not, present.
In my opinion it is written by men, without any help of any supernatural beings. Tranlated by men, without any help of any supernatural beings. As it is read by men without any help of any supernatural beings.
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Originally posted by galveston75Also the Bible has not ever contridicted itself
Your missing the whole point of it being written by man. If the Bible was written in heaven somehow and then in view of all on earth at that time or anyother time, and not touched by man in anyway and then distributed by God to all even as the earth gained in population, would you believe then?
It could never happen that way. The only writting that wa the world you don't agree with, your mind will find it even though it's really not there.
Are you sure, because these two passages look a little contradictory.
•Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
•James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
And if this isn't a contradiction then i don't know what is.
•II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."
•II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."