18 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasWell as you say, it's "your opinion" and nothing else... You are greatly out numbered.
We are totally agree on that the bible is not written by god. Some christians say so, but they are mistaken.
If the bible is written by men with the inspiration of god or the holy spirit, inlikely in my opinion, it wouldn't been written as a series of stories, not very intelligent stories I might add, see the story of Simson, and it wouldn't be with al ...[text shortened]... f any supernatural beings. As it is read by men without any help of any supernatural beings.
18 Sep 09
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Originally posted by galveston75Then what's your opinion? Is your opinion anything else than 'nothing else'?
Well as you say, it's "your opinion" and nothing else... You are greatly out numbered.
There are no scientific proof of either kind here. As it is about religion. Religion and science can never mix.
Out numbered? I'm not so sure about that. If this was a democracy, then you should think of that christians, especially of your denomination, is a minority amongst the people of the Earth. Does that mean that you are wrong? This is not a democracy. This is not politics. This is about opinions. Nothing else.
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by Proper KnobDo a little more research buddy.
[b]Also the Bible has not ever contridicted itself
Are you sure, because these two passages look a little contradictory.
•Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
•James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
And if this isn't a contradiction then i don't know w ...[text shortened]... g took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."[/b]
Your first accusation is easy:
Read with understanding and you might get it.
If one relys on his works as to brag and thinks that will get him approval, it is foolish.
But it is the honest works along with faith that will get him approved. It takes both and that's what these scriptures are saying.
That's easy to understand I would think...
And your second accusation:
Michal was without any children of her own as is stated at 2 Sam 6:23. The 5 sons that she raised were the children of her sister Merab who died an early death.
Isaac leeser's translation of the Jewish Bible and a footnote in the Jewish Targum speaks of this.
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasOk then.....Whatever.
Then what's your opinion? Is your opinion anything else than 'nothing else'?
There are no scientific proof of either kind here. As it is about religion. Religion and science can never mix.
Out numbered? I'm not so sure about that. If this was a democracy, then you should think of that christians, especially of your denomination, is a minority amongst ...[text shortened]... wrong? This is not a democracy. This is not politics. This is about opinions. Nothing else.
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by galveston75Your posts get more layered with vitriol everytime. Love it.
Do a little more research buddy.
Your first accusation is easy:
Read with understanding and you might get it.
If one relys on his works as to brag and thinks that will get him approval, it is foolish.
But it is the honest works along with faith that will get him approved. It takes both and that's what these scriptures are saying.
That's e ...[text shortened]... leeser's translation of the Jewish Bible and a footnote in the Jewish Targum speaks of this.
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by galveston75Try the other example too, if you don't mind.
Do a little more research buddy.
Your first accusation is easy:
Read with understanding and you might get it.
If one relys on his works as to brag and thinks that will get him approval, it is foolish.
But it is the honest works along with faith that will get him approved. It takes both and that's what these scriptures are saying.
That's e ...[text shortened]... leeser's translation of the Jewish Bible and a footnote in the Jewish Targum speaks of this.
Not having children, and suddenly having five sons.
Sounds very much as a contradiction to me.
21 Sep 09
Originally posted by galveston75Not really as we "changed" over time, not like evolution says but some got darker by the sun, some were tall or short, big or little eyes, yellow, black, white, brown depending on 1. Where they lived, 2. What they ate, 3. How much or little time they spent outside or in the sun. Of course this took a long time so they changed little by little (again I evolution doesn't exist but this isn't evolution but little changes within the same species)
Since we all came from them they were no doubt a mixture of all of us....