22 Feb 11
Originally posted by Hand of HecateThere is absolutely no reason to believe that reincarnation exists. All evidence suggests irrefutably that life ends at death. Anybody telling you otherwise - or telling you about 'instructions from God' pertaining to whether or not you will 'live forever' or be reincarnated - is simply sharing with you their speculation and hopes about the supernatural. This can be quite interesting in an anthropological sense as it animates people and has shaped history, but sometimes such proponents of religion can be personally abusive and insulting when confronted with beliefs that deviate from their own. I only mention this abuse and insult aspect because you mentioned Dasa in the thread title.
How do you feel about reincarnation?
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by reinfeldYes. All evidence. As I said. Your sincere hope or certainty that death is not the end is not, in and of itself, "evidence" of anything other than your sincere hope and certainty that death is not the end, which - incidentally - I accept as being true.
"all evidence" ?
22 Feb 11
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Originally posted by FMF
There is absolutely no reason to believe that reincarnation exists. All evidence suggests irrefutably that life ends at death. Anybody telling you otherwise - or telling you about 'instructions from God' pertaining to whether or not you will 'live forever' or be reincarnated - is simply sharing with you their speculation and hopes about the supernatural. This ca ...[text shortened]... I only mention this abuse and insult aspect because you mentioned Dasa in the thread title.
"All evidence suggests irrefutably that life ends at death".-FMF
There is no "evidence" of this.
What evidence can you put forward that life is not eternal?
You have no evidence of this.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonWe die. And our families either cremate us or bury us in the ground and our bodies rot. Does anybody seriously dispute that? The onus is on you to provide evidence that something else - something you imagine or hope for - happens after that, e.g. "eternal life" or reincarnation. Of course you do not have any evidence at all that it does. So we are left with the facts that the body ceases to function, life therefore ends, and the 'person' we knew is gone. Pretty irrefutable really. You got evidence to the contrary?
There is no "evidence" of [life ending at death].
What evidence can you put forward that life is not eternal?
You have no evidence of this.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by FMFI have some heresay evidence.
We die. And our families either cremate us or bury us in the ground and our bodies rot. Does anybody seriously dispute that? The onus is on you to provide evidence that something else - something you imagine or hope for - happens after that, e.g. "eternal life" or reincarnation. Of course you do not have any evidence at all that it does. So we are left with the ...[text shortened]... d the 'person' we knew is gone. Pretty irrefutable really. You got evidence to the contrary?
I've been "dead" a few times and I've experienced a different realm where there was no physicality, and so "life" could "go on".
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by FMFThe problem here is you are identifying The Self with this physical shell we call a body.
We die. And our families either cremate us or bury us in the ground and our bodies rot. Does anybody seriously dispute that? The onus is on you to provide evidence that something else - something you imagine or hope for - happens after that, e.g. "eternal life" or reincarnation. Of course you do not have any evidence at all that it does. So we are left with the ...[text shortened]... d the 'person' we knew is gone. Pretty irrefutable really. You got evidence to the contrary?
I say different.
So we got two different belief systems going on here.
You said there is irrefutable evidence therefore the onus is on you to prove there is nothing else.
That is, The Self is merely flesh and blood.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by Hand of Hecate1. No. Relatives,yeah...
1. So are we alone? Surely you have some relatives out there?
2. How do you feel about reincarnation?
2.Reincarnation is totally misunderstood by nearly every poster on here. I am not saying I understand it that much better, but I know its not as simplistic as anyone has made it out to be , especially its main PROPONENT, Dasa.
I dont think we should be debating things like reincarnation because of the time it wastes explaining not very much, other than ego satisfaction.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelI believe you when you tell me that you believe that this "evidence" refutes the facts of life and death in some way.
I have some heresay evidence.
I've been "dead" a few times and I've experienced a different realm where there was no physicality, and so "life" could "go on".
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelI am pretty sure I have a good understanding of it.
Reincarnation is totally misunderstood by nearly every poster on here.
It is a theory or hope, created by speculation on the part of people who think 'there must be more to life than merely this life we live'. This 'there must be more to life' assertion is something that every single religion has in common.
Individuals also speculate - independently of religious "explanations" - and some develop theories of their own about the supernatural. There is not a jot of credible evidence that 'reincarnation' is anything other than the result of surmise and aspiration.
22 Feb 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonThat we die is irrefutable. So yes, if you imagine something happens after that then the onus is on you - at least if you want to me to accept your theory/hope/assertion - to provide evidence that it does.
You said there is irrefutable evidence therefore the onus is on you to prove there is nothing else.