Originally posted by kevcvs57
Yes I would imagine the suppression of 'constructive' or 'instinctive' anger would be as much a fetter to realization as an over reliance on it.
Is it not more a case of excessive anger being a symptom or marker for not having achieved 'realization' rather than a barrier in itself?
An interesting thought that bears mulling over.
Strong emotions and realization...we can include the other strong emotions here too...sexual passion... terrifying fear...almost insane grief...uncontrolled anger.
What do we realize? What do we awaken too?
Underneath all the fine Buddhist accretions of the centuries, what precisely - devoid of rites/rituals and moral precepts - found in varying form in all religions - what precisely did the "ThusGone One, the Tathagata awaken too that distinctifies the Buddhist message?
He called it the Middle Way. He apparently sought the answer to human suffering through the varying and often polar views of the teachings, principally Hindu, going around in his time first, If we don't know, Hinduism in all its wonderful richness, has the whole gamut of religious thought and behaviour, some of it quite shocking to our eyes.
He finally tried extreme asceticism, and found and knew that wasn't it either. He decided to sit down under a tree, according to the story, and not get up until he'd got "there". He then really did wake up bigtime, for him and human history. Others have seen it before and since but he was the vital "Awakening" junction point of history, so he is venerated. Other religions have their buddhas too. Sometimes they are not recognised because they are dressed differently.
What did he see?
Does it include or exclude these strong human emotions, that arise?
My thoughts are that what he saw was neither including or excluding events and times of strong emotions, but a true vision that they are, either way, ultimately "empty", because emotions, like all of life, is interdependent on everything else, arising spontaneously and subsiding equally spontaneously of itself. There is no self that is controlling or containing, and to focus on "me" doing so is THE sign of lack of recognition at that moment, or any moment we forget.
Whether "I" am in the throes of sexual passion or deeply grieving, expressing strong heartfelt anger or feeling paralysed with fear, being able to say so, and be so, recognizing it fully, without "you" being there IS liberation. As is sitting quietly before a serene lake and all its joy.
"You" and "I" are wrong (or right) WHATEVER "we" do! So let's do it as it arises in our heart, and jump off!
Stuff-ups will still arise as they do now with all our moralising, and emotional paralysis, but full unbroken awareness of the stuff ups, now, with realization, will mean the endless cycle of the wheel is broken and the Awakened has free flow without all the stuff we pack in our doorways. You become like the Buddha, and all the masters that ever were.
That is finding the Unborn, your Original Face.
And the sun rises and the sun sets, and the storms clear and the dirty streets are cleaned.