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Your beef is not with their wildly bizarre dogma, canonized by them before they had scripture which miraculously backed it up, but only with the fact that their approach is corporate in nature? That instead of having a prophet and apostles, they have a CEO and a board which they learn to treat the same as a prophet and apostles? This is your main beef with them and not their man-made dogma?
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Originally posted by SuzianneYou are a Methodist, right? what do you think of the Methodist preacher John Chivington who slaughtered innocent women and children at the massacre of Sand Creek? Was he a real Christian? What Methodist doctrines was he following? If he had been a Jehovahs Witness and followed the teachings of Jehovahs Witnesses would he have slaughtered innocent women and children at the Sand Creek? No then perhaps you had better look at the rafter in your own church before you start pointing out the straws in others.
Wait a minute, let me see if I'm hearing this right.
Your beef is not with their wildly bizarre dogma, canonized by them before they had scripture which miraculously backed it up, but only with the fact that their approach is corporate in nature? That instead of having a prophet and apostles, they have a CEO and a board which they learn to treat the same as a prophet and apostles? This is your main beef with them and not their man-made dogma?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJohn Milton Chivington (January 27, 1821 – October 4, 1894) was a Methodist pastor who served as colonel in the United States Volunteers during the Colorado War and the New Mexico Campaigns of the American Civil War.
You are a Methodist, right? what do you think of the Methodist preacher John Chivington who slaughtered innocent women and children at the massacre of Sand Creek? Was he a real Christian? What Methodist doctrines was he following? If he had been a Jehovahs Witness and followed the teachings of Jehovahs Witnesses would he have slaughtered innocent ...[text shortened]... better look at the rafter in your own church before you start pointing out the straws in others.
Drawn to Methodism, Chivington became a minister. Following ordination in 1844, his first appointment was to Payson Circuit in the Illinois Conference. On the journey from Ohio to Illinois Chivington contracted smallpox. He served the Illinois conference for ten years. In 1853, he worked in a Methodist missionary expedition to the Wyandot people in Kansas, a part of the Kansas–Nebraska Annual Conference. His outspoken views in favor of abolitionism put him in danger, and upon the advice of "Congressman Craig and other friends" Chivington was persuaded to leave the Kansas Territory for the Nebraska Territory.
As a result, the Methodist Church transferred Chivington to a parish in Omaha, Nebraska. Chivington left this position after a year. Historian James Haynes said of Chivington's pastoral abilities: "Mr. Chivington was not as steady in his demeanor as becomes a man called of God to the work of the ministry, giving his ministerial friends regret and even trouble in their efforts to sustain his reputation."
In May 1860, Chivington moved with his family to the Colorado Territory and settled in Denver. From there, he sought to establish missions in the South Park mining camps in Park County. He was elected Presiding Elder of the new Rocky Mountain District and served in that capacity until 1862. Controversy would begin to mar Chivington's appointment, who stopped performing his function as presiding elder.[clarification needed] Chivington was not reappointed at the 1862 conference; rather, his name was recorded as "located". According to early Methodist polity, describing a minister as located means that the minister has effectively been retired. Historian of Methodism Isaac Beardsley, a personal friend of Chivington, suggested that Chivington was "thrown out" because of his involvement with the armed forces, an association that would lead to Chivington's name to infamy.
In 1862, he was in the Battle of Glorieta Pass against a Confederate supply train.
Chivington gained infamy for leading a 700-man force of Colorado Territory militia during the massacre at Sand Creek in November 1864. An estimated 70–163 peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho – about two-thirds of whom were women, children, and infants – were killed and mutilated by his troops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhy don't you tell us something we don't know like if he had followed the teachings of Jehovahs witnesses, those 'man made doctrines' that you and your friends slobber about, would he have killed those innocent women and children at Sand Creek? Indeed, in what way was this Methodist preacher, a real Christian?
John Milton Chivington (January 27, 1821 – October 4, 1894) was a Methodist pastor who served as colonel in the United States Volunteers during the Colorado War and the New Mexico Campaigns of the American Civil War.
Drawn to Methodism, Chivington became a minister. Following ordination in 1844, his first appointment was to Payson Circuit in the Illinois ...[text shortened]... fants – were killed and mutilated by his troops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington
Originally posted by RJHindsWell, apparently he must not have followed the teachings of the Methodists either or he would not have been "thrown out" by them.
John Milton Chivington (January 27, 1821 – October 4, 1894) was a Methodist pastor who served as colonel in the United States Volunteers during the Colorado War and the New Mexico Campaigns of the American Civil War.
Drawn to Methodism, Chivington became a minister. Following ordination in 1844, his first appointment was to Payson Circuit in the Illinois ...[text shortened]... fants – were killed and mutilated by his troops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington