Originally posted by FreakyKBHGod cannot tolerate less than His own perfection.
Although God's justice acts as guard over His entire essence, that justice is never abitrary or capricious. His justice is watched over by His righteousness, which assures no corruption can take place, as per the standard of His perfect fairness. Psalm 9:8
And He shall judge the world in righteousness,
He shall minister judgment to the people in uprigh ...[text shortened]... s such, righteousness is God's point of responsibility toward all the sins of the human race.
I’ve heard this before, Freaky, and I don’t get it. Since only God is “His own perfection,” would not that make God perfectly intolerant of anything that is not-God from the get-go?
Note: Both Hebrew words that I can find that are translated as “perfect” or “perfection,” imply wholeness, completeness, fullness, all-ness.
[I am trying to stay off of here over Shabbos, and I have some other things to do today, so I’m not slighting you if I don’t have a chance to read any reply for a day. Be well.]
Originally posted by TheSkipperWhy is it okay for a surgeon to cut a man's chest open and take a knife to his heart but not okay for you and me (or maybe just me - I don't know you're not a cardiac surgeon!) to do the same?
I have no idea. If it is such a petty thing, however, why can I not go around liberating immortal souls from the bonds of the body without sinning? Because we have been taught that human life has value even if the life itself is fleeting...sadly, it apparently has little or no value to God.
TheSkipper
The surgeon knows what he's doing; we don't.
Originally posted by vistesdWe'll never attain God's perfection, but perhaps we might attain our own?
[b]God cannot tolerate less than His own perfection.
I’ve heard this before, Freaky, and I don’t get it. Since only God is “His own perfection,” would not that make God perfectly intolerant of anything that is not-God from the get-go?
Note: Both Hebrew words that I can find that are translated as “perfect” or “perfection,” imply who ...[text shortened]... today, so I’m not slighting you if I don’t have a chance to read any reply for a day. Be well.][/b]
Originally posted by vistesdwould not that make God perfectly intolerant of anything that is not-God from the get-go?
God cannot tolerate less than His own perfection.
Thus the need for affinity. If God were able to create some 'other' with affinity to His righteousness, there could be a shared commune. This He did with the angels, and then again with the man and the woman in the Garden, pre-Fall.
Note: Both Hebrew words that I can find that are translated as “perfect” or “perfection,” imply wholeness, completeness, fullness, all-ness.
Precisely why integrity fits the bill with respect to describing the relationship of His essence.
I am following your post on Shabbos. Don't rest unless you must!
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH[/b]Thus the need for affinity.
[b]would not that make God perfectly intolerant of anything that is not-God from the get-go?
Thus the need for affinity. If God were able to create some 'other' with affinity to His righteousness, there could be a shared commune. This He did with the angels, and then again with the man and the woman in the Garden, pre-Fall.
Note: Both ...[text shortened]... tionship of His essence.
I am following your post on Shabbos. Don't rest unless you must!
Let me think about this a bit. I suspect it’s an area where we’re not in complete disagreement, but have a somewhat different take on it.
Precisely why integrity fits the bill with respect to describing the relationship of His essence.
This strikes me as a rather powerful statement of the whole concept of the Trinity.
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My wife and I are trying to re-establish a practice of celebrating/observing (a very non-orthodox) Sabbath each week—light the candles, say kiddush, etc. Our only real “rule” is 24 hours of no rancor, worry, negative thoughts, “shoulds,” etc. For example, puttering in the garden is not “work” for my wife. I try to restrict my time on here in order to focus on other things, that’s all. (As you can see, I don’t completely succeed—but, then, no beating up on myself about it either!) 🙂
Originally posted by TheSkipperis it really God that you are looking at?
[b]How does the perception of a wrathful, OT God align with the Christian assertion of a loving God?
mabey it is wrong people taking on God's identity in their 'need to fulfill their 'emptiness inside'' on their 'misson playing god'.
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The omniscience of God knew in eternity past all that is knowable about every sin of every person who would ever live. With that knowledge, the second Person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ took the responsibility to go to the cross and do something about those sins. It was His responsibility to provide salvation through His unlimited substitutionary atonement by reconciling the enmity between man and God, by propitiating or satisfying the justice of God regarding the sins of man, and my offering the redemption solution. His death redeemed every human being from the slave market of sin and delivered all to the freedom of grace.
Originally posted by lucifershammerThe surgeon doesn't turn your heart into a pillar of salt? 🙂
Why is it okay for a surgeon to cut a man's chest open and take a knife to his heart but not okay for you and me (or maybe just me - I don't know you're not a cardiac surgeon!) to do the same?
The surgeon knows what he's doing; we don't.
Originally posted by lucifershammerThe surgeon is licensed to perform heart surgery, indeed, but he needs a very important thing to make it legel - consent!
Why is it okay for a surgeon to cut a man's chest open and take a knife to his heart but not okay for you and me (or maybe just me - I don't know you're not a cardiac surgeon!) to do the same?
The surgeon knows what he's doing; we don't.
Your analogy, not mine.
TheSkipper
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Originally posted by TheSkippernever asked you to worship him buddy.
Really? I find the God that turned Lot;s wife into a pillar of salt for "looking back" to be not only scary but morally bankrupt.
The God that gets into a chest bumping contest with satan resulting in Job getting totally screwed does not sound like the God I want to worship.
Now, on the other hand, the God of the NT seems to have some very admira ...[text shortened]... ween the OT and the NT God went from puberty to adulthood.
I don't get it...
TheSkipper
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Originally posted by TheSkipperDoes he require consent in an emergency/casualty situation?
The surgeon is licensed to perform heart surgery, indeed, but he needs a very important thing to make it legel - consent!
Your analogy, not mine.
TheSkipper
In any case, you're stretching the analogy - I think you already got the point. The analogy was brought up as the answer to your question about why we can't go around killing people.
Note about analogies - they are brought up to compare a specific aspect of two situations; not to be stretched indiscriminately to compare other aspects.