Originally posted by lucifershammer
Third pass (As with most vistesd posts, I need a couple of tries to refine my thoughts 😀):
What does it mean to say that God is not bounded by space-time dimensionality? I think of it in terms of something like:
[i]For the set of all points U in the four-dimensional universe, there does not exist a subset P such that we can say that God is "con d (0,0,2)? If our frame of reference only included K, would we say this object was at (0,0)?
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Third pass (As with most vistesd posts, I need a couple of tries to refine my thoughts ):
Mea culpa—which is partly why I am doing this exercise: to refine my own. (I might be able to return the compliment, though. 🙂 )
I’m not sure I like the word “contained.” If you mean that a figure (visual analogy) is “contained” within its ground, maybe. But it is the (perceptual, in this case) boundaries of that figure vis-à-vis everything else in the ground (or maybe just blank space) that enables one to identify the figure itself.
My mention of “dimensionless” goes to my point that we conceptualize entities (“somethings” ) in terms of dimensionality. Our brains work that way. (We even do it in conceiving of unicorns.) Almost all of our posts here are using dimensional language: where, there, somewhere, etc.
Can you conceive of an entity that is not “anywhere” (including any conceptual dimension(s) imagined in your head)? Do you have a non-dimensional language that would enable you to speak thus (or to think thus)?
If you want to posit an additional “supernatural” dimension, then the first thing I ask is for you to give me some understanding of what that
means.
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A something’s
identity is what allows us to say
this, as opposed to
that. A something’s identity is “defined” by its (perceptual or conceptual) boundaries. (In this case, I am using “define” to mean “to determine or fix the boundaries, or extent of”;
Webster’s New Universal Unabridged Dictionary.)
If one cannot “fix the boundaries,” one cannot “define” a something.
By “identify,” I mean “to recognize or establish as being a
particular person or thing” (ibid.; my italics).
By “identity” I mean “the condition of being oneself, or itself, and not another” (ibid.).
By “entity” I mean “1. something that has a real existence; thing ... 2. being or existence, esp. when considered as distinct, independent or self-contained” (ibid.)
Being “bounded” means “having bounds or limits” (ibid.).
A “boundary” is “something that indicates bounds or limits; a boundary line” (ibid.).
All of the “boundary” concepts are fundamentally dimensional.
An entity can be identified (recognized as being a particular thing) as such because it has an identity that allows us to define (fix the boundaries of, and hence recognize) its condition of being itself and not another.
If one asserts an
entity that has no bounds or limits, I don’t know what they are talking about.
Absent dimensional boundaries what does it
mean to say that God is an entity (a singular existent being)?