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-Removed-As far as 1 Thess. I don't have a concise ref. but it would seem that Jesus (Michael the archangel in his prehuman existence) would himself blow God's trumpet to start the war of the great day of God Almighty, especially since Jesus is leading God's army of angels to that war.
Also for Hebrews, this is a great privilege for Michael to be called God's Son.
The verse doesn't say God "never" said that to an angel. It only asks,"To which of the angels has He ever said..."
Side question, how can God be begotten or born? Jesus(Michael) obviously was.
(John 14:6) Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Our faith in Jesus as God's "1st born son" is the only way to approach the Father. If we only go as far as Jesus, we have not gone far enough.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
You seem to be a thoughtful person so these are just some points to consider.
While it is true that trumpets were used to give a war cry, it is likely in this case that the trumpet was used to call God's people together through a resurrection.
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16 Another thing that accompanies Christ’s descent from heaven is the sound of “God’s trumpet.” (1 Thess. 4:16) The trumpet in this case is not a war signal for assembling troops that they might fight and put the enemy to death. Rather, the blast of “God’s trumpet” is a peaceful one for assembling Jehovah’s people, as when the two silver trumpets were blown in Moses’ day to assemble the 12 tribes of Israel. (Num. 10:1-10)
Originally posted by roigamThis actually makes sense because the resurrection is through Christ Jesus using God's power as he did with Lazarus. See John 11:11-14, 41.
While it is true that trumpets were used to give a war cry, it is likely in this case that the trumpet was used to call God's people together through a resurrection.
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16 Another thing that accompanies Christ’s descent from heaven is the sound of “God’s trumpet.” (1 Thess. 4:16) The trumpet ...[text shortened]... two silver trumpets were blown in Moses’ day to assemble the 12 tribes of Israel. (Num. 10:1-10)
Originally posted by roigamDid Moses blow both trumpets?
While it is true that trumpets were used to give a war cry, it is likely in this case that the trumpet was used to call God's people together through a resurrection.
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16 Another thing that accompanies Christ’s descent from heaven is the sound of “God’s trumpet.” (1 Thess. 4:16) The trumpet ...[text shortened]... two silver trumpets were blown in Moses’ day to assemble the 12 tribes of Israel. (Num. 10:1-10)
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Originally posted by roigamDoes a Commander-in-Chief usually blow the war trumpet or does he have one of his troops do it? Have you ever been in the military?
As far as 1 Thess. I don't have a concise ref. but it would seem that Jesus (Michael the archangel in his prehuman existence) would himself blow God's trumpet to start the war of the great day of God Almighty, especially since Jesus is leading God's army of angels to that war.
Also for Hebrews, this is a great privilege for Michael to be called God's Son.
T ...[text shortened]... of lawlessness!’
You seem to be a thoughtful person so these are just some points to consider.
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-Removed-I want to sincerely thank you. I had not looked into the point about the trumpet Jesus had when he returned. I looked a little further and learned an interesting point about how the trumpet was used in Israel that gave me a very encouraging thought for what is happening today. Thank you very much for that point.
btw I seem to have a difficult time finding threads I have been involved with. There are so many interesting posts being made by so many. As I seem to be falling short in responding properly and have not yet learned the proper balance or control over my enthusiasm it is probably best to back off for a while and just learn from how you experienced posters do it.
I'm open to helpful suggestions though. Sorry if I have disappointed any.
