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    03 Apr '15 02:49
    Originally posted by OdBod
    150 young people killed in Kenya because of religious differences. An Atheistic Humanitarian approach has got to be the way forward. Religion divides and hurts us!
    Shrug.

    Embrace Mo or die.
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    03 Apr '15 03:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    Embrace Mo or die.
    That may well be the demand of the mass murderers in Kenya and elsewhere. It could hardly be more atrocious and evil.

    The demand of evil armed bank robbers may well be 'Give me the money or die', but this does not mean that all people seeking to withdraw money from a bank make the same atrocious demand or condone the same method.
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    03 Apr '15 03:26
    Originally posted by OdBod
    150 young people killed in Kenya because of religious differences. An Atheistic Humanitarian approach has got to be the way forward. Religion divides and hurts us!
    These Muslim murderers of young students, along with ISIS and all their combatant wifes and teenage siblings are the exact people who are all eligible for execution.

    Any Muslim who defends and follows the Quaran ................is following a religion of OPPRESSION and MURDER.

    The following are verses which incite theft and deceit and violence and murder.

    How can an honest and peaceful man/women defend such an ugly false religion.

    II. Vertical List of Verses of the Koran's 164 Jihad Verses of violence.

    1 2:178 26 3:156 51 4:103 76 8:57 101 09:029 126 29:69 151 59:05
    2 2:179 27 3:157 52 4:104 77 8:58 102 09:036 127 33:15 152 59:06
    3 2:190 28 3:158 53 4:141 78 8:59 103 09:038 128 33:18 153 59:07
    4 2:191 29 3:165 54 5:033 79 8:60 104 09:039 129 33:20 154 59:08
    5 2:193 30 3:166 55 5:035 80 8:65 105 09:041 130 33:23 155 59:14
    6 2:194 31 3:167 56 5:082 81 8:66 106 09:044 131 33:25 156 60:09
    7 2:216 32 3:169 57 8:001 82 8:67 107 09:052 132 33:26 157 61:04
    8 2:217 33 3:172 58 8:005 83 8:68 108 09:073 133 33:27 158 61:11
    9 2:218 34 3:173 59 8:007 84 8:69 109 09:081 134 33:50 159 61:13
    10 2:244 35 3:195 60 8:009 85 8:70 110 09:083 135 42:39 160 63:04
    11 3:121 36 4:071 61 8:010 86 8:71 111 09:086 136 47:04 161 64:14
    12 3:122 37 4:072 62 8:012 87 8:72 112 09:088 137 47:20 162 66:09
    13 3:123 38 4:074 63 8:015 88 8:73 113 09:092 138 47:35 163 73:20
    14 3:124 39 4:075 64 8:016 89 8:74 114 09:111 139 48:15 164 76:08
    15 3:125 40 4:076 65 8:017 90 8:75 115 09:120 140 48:16
    16 3:126 41 4:077 66 8:039 91 9:05 116 09:122 141 48:17
    17 3:140 42 4:084 67 8:040 92 9:12 117 09:123 142 48:18
    18 3:141 43 4:089 68 8:041 93 9:13 118 16:110 143 48:19
    19 3:142 44 4:090 69 8:042 94 9:14 119 22:039 144 48:20
    20 3:143 45 4:091 70 8:043 95 9:16 120 22:058 145 48:21
    21 3:146 46 4:094 71 8:044 96 9:19 121 22:078 146 48:22
    22 3:152 47 4:095 72 8:045 97 9:20 122 24:053 147 48:23
    23 3:153 48 4:100 73 8:046 98 9:24 123 24:055 148 48:24
    24 3:154 49 4:101 74 8:047 99 9:25 124 25:052 149 49:15
    25 3:155 50 4:102 75 8:048 100 9:26 125 29:006 150 59:02
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    03 Apr '15 03:56
    Originally posted by Dasa
    These Muslim murderers of young students, along with ISIS and all their combatant wifes and teenage siblings are the exact people who are all eligible for execution.
    I agree that the full force of the law and the full attention of security services should be brought down upon such criminals in order to apprehend them, stop them, and punish them. While I would not mourn their deaths on the battlefield, if captured and prosecuted, I would not agree with them being executed and would rather see them incarcerated for life.
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    03 Apr '15 07:082 edits
    Originally posted by OdBod
    I don't know much about your jw cult but aren't you the lot who have limited heaven tickets? PS ( look up the meaning of the word RANT old chap).
    look up the word cult who knows you may learn something. As for the Bible and those persons who are to rule with Christ as 'Kings and priests' I would not comment on it if I were you, not unless you have studied it and its rather self evident that you have not. You will simply be out of your depth. So are you ready to make a confession, the anti religious have killed way more people than even the meanest medieval crusader could have dreamt of even in his wildest apocalyptic dreams? I will hear your confessions now.
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    03 Apr '15 07:241 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    You're acting as if the "non religious" wars would not have happened if only they were religious. Given the bitter and endless nature of religious wars, those "non religious" wars would likely have been much worse if religion was also a factor.
    No I am calling attention to the atheists deep seated anti-religious bias. Once again they have been caught, red-handed, swag bag full of their own propaganda attempting to propagandise their anti religious agenda while ignoring certain empirically established and self evident facts, those being they have killed more people than all the religious combined. Unable to come to terms with anything other than their own delusions they wheel out Hitler as some kind of grotesque logical fallacy.

    I don't believe what you say and you have provided no evidence for your claim that religion would have made these wars any worse than they were. Religion was in no way a factor in either of the two world wars and infact the facts state that the anti religious perpetrated atrocities based on their anti religious political agendas, the Khmer Rouge killed 50,000 Buddhist monks just by way of example. So either you will accept the fact that the anti religious have contributed to making wars much worse or you will need to make room for them in your assertion or continue in your anti religious bias, blissfully ignorant of the facts.

    There has been no evidence that religious wars are more self perpetuating than political or ethnic or any other. You have provided NO evidence that they are.
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    03 Apr '15 07:351 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    look up the word cult who knows you may learn something.
    He could look here at Thread 151116 ["Definition of a cult"] and see how well you ~ and others ~ make your case about what a "cult" is or isn't.
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    03 Apr '15 10:28
    Originally posted by FMF
    That may well be the demand of the mass murderers in Kenya and elsewhere. It could hardly be more atrocious and evil.

    The demand of evil armed bank robbers may well be 'Give me the money or die', but this does not mean that all people seeking to withdraw money from a bank make the same atrocious demand or condone the same method.
    Just don't offend the murdering bank robbers in any way.

    That's the important thing.
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    03 Apr '15 11:53
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Were the two world wars religious or political? what about the Khmer rouge who killed close to one million people in an attempt to establish an aesthetic state in Cambodia? why do we never hear you mention these when talking about massacres? Last time i looked 1,000,000 > 150 Your latest attempt to propagandise your religious bigotry is an EPIC FAI ...[text shortened]... interested in facts? then please educate yourself.

    http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm
    The goal of the Khmer Rouge was to establish a Marxist Agrarian society. Religion was seen as something which could get in the way of their plans and was subsequently eradicated, so was education.
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    03 Apr '15 13:01
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    look up the word cult who knows you may learn something. As for the Bible and those persons who are to rule with Christ as 'Kings and priests' I would not comment on it if I were you, not unless you have studied it and its rather self evident that you have not. You will simply be out of your depth. So are you ready to make a confession, the anti r ...[text shortened]... could have dreamt of even in his wildest apocalyptic dreams? I will hear your confessions now.
    Wikipedia: A cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.
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    03 Apr '15 13:291 edit
    Originally posted by Agerg
    google is a better historian than me, howzabout ...

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
    I'm aware of what various online "persons" claim. I'm more interested your assertion that Hitler (let's remember that according to goofy internet law you have already lost the debate by bringing Hitler up) was a Christian because he said he was and therefore all the Nazi atrocities (in particular in this thread, deaths) can be attributed to mainstream Christianity. OK I'll play along...

    Do you by the same token accept that mainstream Islam is responsible for all the atrocities carried out by ISIS?
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    03 Apr '15 14:38
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    The goal of the Khmer Rouge was to establish a Marxist Agrarian society. Religion was seen as something which could get in the way of their plans and was subsequently eradicated, so was education.
    Yes.
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    03 Apr '15 14:38
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Wikipedia: A cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.
    you don't say.
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    04 Apr '15 01:24
    Originally posted by FMF
    Do you ever blame the evil acts of people who are atheists on their atheism?
    Are you, in your own twisted way, asking me if I think atheists are evil?

    I would think you could grasp my answer to your question by rereading my post that you responded to.
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    04 Apr '15 01:36
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Are you, in your own twisted way, asking me if I think atheists are evil?
    No, I was asking you exactly what I asked you. You said "The massacre in Kenya was caused by evil men, not religion." So I asked you "Do you ever blame the evil acts of people who are atheists on their atheism?" It's a pretty straight forward question.
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