Another religious massacre.
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06 Apr '15 20:112 editsOriginally posted by OdBodAgain we agree, religion causes as much hate in this world or more than
KJ,even the religious groups using the bible cannot agree , let alone agreement with non biblical religions. To suggest that religion unites us is not the world I see. Our common bond is our Humanity I think we should concentrate on that.
06 Apr '15 22:531 editOriginally posted by sonhouseI always understood Hinduism to be monotheistic in the sense that the different deities were simply a manifestation of God in some form, or another. But hey don't let it get in the way of belief in your propaganda.
Yeah, forgot that. Take your pick🙂
06 Apr '15 23:44Originally posted by Dasa
These Muslim murderers of young students, along with ISIS and all their combatant wifes and teenage siblings are the exact people who are all eligible for execution.
Any Muslim who defends and follows the Quaran ................is following a religion of OPPRESSION and MURDER.
The following are verses which incite theft and deceit and violence and murder ...[text shortened]... 74 8:047 99 9:25 124 25:052 149 49:15
25 3:155 50 4:102 75 8:048 100 9:26 125 29:006 150 59:02
With regards to Qur’anic exegesis, and the understanding of Hadith, and issue in legal theory in general, the methodology set forth by God in the Qur’an and the Prophet in the Hadith is as follows: to consider everything that has been revealed relating to a particular question in its entirety, without depending on only parts of it, and then to judge—if one is qualified—based on all available scriptural sources. God says: ‘… What, do you believe in part of the Book, and disbelieve in part? ...’ (Al-Baqarah, 2:85); ‘… they pervert words from their contexts; and they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of…’ (Al-Ma’idah, 5:13); ‘… those who have reduced the Recitation, to parts’ (Al-Hijr, 15:91). Once all relevant scriptural passages have been gathered, the ‘general’ has to be distinguished from the ‘specific’, and the ‘conditional’ from the ‘unconditional’. Also, the ‘unequivocal’ passages have to be distinguished from the allegorical ones. Moreover, the reasons and circumstances for revelation (asbab al-nuzul) for all the passages and verses, in addition to all the other hermeneutical conditions that the classical imams have specified, must be understood. Therefore, it is not permissible to quote a verse, or part of a verse, without thoroughly considering and comprehending everything that the Qur’an and Hadith relate about that point. The reason behind this is that everything in the Qur’an is the Truth, and everything in authentic Hadith is Divinely inspired, so it is not permissible to ignore any part of it. Indeed it is imperative to reconcile all texts, as much as possible, or that there be a clear reason why one text should outweigh another.
07 Apr '15 00:02Originally posted by sonhouseI know you are not here to learn or understand the truth, but you are here to promote your view of a New World Order without God.
It's a shame we have to fight over imaginary gods. Like the Christian one, like the Muslim one, like the Hindu one and all the others. All imaginary. Anything to have a nice war I guess.
07 Apr '15 00:16Originally posted by whodey
Shrug.
Embrace Mo or die.
It is worth noting that most of the people who became Muslims throughout history, did so through gentle invitation (da’wah hasanah). God says: ‘Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and dispute with them by way of that which is best. Truly your Lord knows best those who stray from His way and He knows best those who are guided.’ (Al-Nahl, 16: 125). The Prophet said: ‘Be gentle, and beware of violence and foul language10.’And while Islam spread politically from Central Asia (Khurasan) to North Africa due to Islamic conquests, the majority of the inhabitants of these lands remained Christian for hundreds of years until some of them gradually accepted Islam through gentle invitation, and not through severity and coercion. Indeed large countries and entire provinces became Muslim without conquest but through invitation (da’wah), such as: Indonesia; Malaysia; West and East Africa, and others. Hence, severity is neither a measure of piety nor a choice for the spread of Islam.
07 Apr '15 00:37Originally posted by robbie carrobiePagans had less difficulty converting to Christianity because Christians borrowed their holy days and festivals, took charge of their shrines and sacred places, and devised a set of saints, angels and demons to correspond to the pagan counterparts in their various roles and specialisms. Monotheism does not really differ much from polytheism when it incorporates such a diverse zoo of saints, angels, archangels, demons and devils and so on and so on. Indeed, Satan is often assigned such a major role as to be, in effect, godlike, to the extent that many Christians have actually come close to the (supposedly un-Christian) beliefs of Manichaeism, which "taught an elaborate dualistic cosmology describing the struggle between a good, spiritual world of light, and an evil, material world of darkness." When Alexander the Great conceived quite seriously that he was in fact a god, he did not suffer the delusion that he had personally created the universe and all its components, but had in mind a concept of godness (if you like) that is not that far removed from Christian notions about the status of saints. Certainly, his belief that he would live forever was not far removed from a Christian afterlife, whereas Judaism for a long time did not allow for any afterlife and was not, indeed, monotheist at all, but looked to tribal gods and rival gods.
I always understood Hinduism to be monotheistic in the sense that the different deities were simply a manifestation of God in some form, or another. But hey don't let it get in the way of belief in your propaganda.
07 Apr '15 20:452 editsOriginally posted by divegeester1) The last paragraph in my previous post implies I do not attribute those deaths to Christianity (or any religion).
Do you attribute Hitler's "deaths" to Christianity? If not, then to which religion? If so, do you attribute ISIS "deaths" to mainstream Isalm?
Reveal Hidden Content 08 Apr '15 10:15Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you admit people have been killed over religion. Good for you.
Will you give an estimate of how many persons have been killed in religious wars so that we can put it in context with those killed in other forms or will you continue to believe your own propaganda?
08 Apr '15 12:33Originally posted by sonhouseYou ever worry about what humans will come up with for control if as you
And the sooner the better. Like I have said many times before, I want freedom FROM religion. ALL religions.
08 Apr '15 16:161 editOriginally posted by KellyJayYou can't get past the point that humans made up the rules all along.
You ever worry about what humans will come up with for control if as you
believe religion is done away with? As we have said, people use whatever
they can to control, or to get what they want, you seem to be more worried
about the symptom then the disease.
08 Apr '15 17:241 editOriginally posted by divegeesterFirst acknowledge It was Robbie Carrobie that brought Hitler into the mix with his wall of stats on the first page of this thread (pay attention to the number 1 entry)...
If that is your opinion, then why bring Adolf Hitler into the debate in the first place?
Really? From a glib comment about how religion is doing just as well as non-religion in the killing front (because RC just threw a load of stats at us) you concluded (2)?
As I said in my last response, it was a half-hearted comment towards RC (who started the who's the most evil game) that his wall of stats don't leave religion smelling of roses
Religion (includes Christianity) in of itself is not a cause of death and despair. It is blind adherence to dogma, and charismatic leaders (in this case Hitler) using people as their tools (under the banner of a given religion) which is that cause.
what divegeester would probably ask next
It looks like you dodged the question before. Explain how Christianity is responsible for all deaths by Hitler. Or otherwise, tell me which religion you think is responsible.
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