01 May 05
Originally posted by TrollGirl28Well, there is the same "proof" for Witches as there are for Christians or Muslims or Buddhists. That is, they simply exist.
Anyone believe in witches?
There is proof of them.
As for "magic", there are two basic forms -- "stage magic", and ceremonial magic.
Stage magic is essentially the art of illusion, mostly of the optical sort. David Copperfield, etc.
Ceremonial magic (sometimes spelled "magick" to differentiate it from stage magic) is very old, likely having its roots in ancient Egypt and Sumeria.
The basis of ceremonial magick in its higher forms -- sometimes called "High Magick" -- is the invocation of archetypal deities (gods and goddesses). A given deity is invoked for the purposes of aligning oneself with the qualities of that deity, or put another way, for evoking one's latent qualities that correspond to the qualities of the deity being called upon. These "deities" are always benevolent, at least in High Magick. Examples are the Archangles Raphael, Gabriel, and Michael, or the Egyptian Thoth, Isis, or Ma'at.
High Magick is about personal spiritual growth. White magick is about healing. Low magick is the practice of manipulating the elements (causing rainstorms, etc). Black magick is the practice of attempting to harm others by invoking negative forces.
Needless to say, black magick is foolish because its effects inevitably boomerang on the practitioner (sooner or later). So from the point of view of spiritual evolution, black magick is a waste of time.
I have known a number of Wiccans (Witches) and always found them to be rather mild folk. Their religion has some connection with ceremonial magick but is also related to the Nature-based traditions like Druidry and shamanism. Witchcraft as practiced today is largely a harmless, benevolent tradition, at least in covens that are run by mature adults.
03 May 05
Originally posted by RBHILLProve to me he does? And that line again.. please... i agree with rth... adopting things from religions that they think of as sacreligeous... thats irony at its best.. but whatever.. i can respect your beliefs... your God is just a part of The All... i can not nore should i think could i convince you otherwise... but dont try to convince me of this thing christians came up with to strike fear in people named satan... "If it harm none do as ye will"... im sure you could respect that... that takes care of my view of "sin"...
Chrsitianity is not a religion, it is a relationship with the creator, made availalbe through Jesus Christ.
Prove to me that he doesn't exsist.
That is Satan's bigest lie to see taht he doesn't exsist.
03 May 05
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Originally posted by xxxenophobeSo I see, I know you would make me prove that he exsists before you prove that he doesn't. Look at the world around use. Satan is the Prince of this world.
Prove to me he does? And that line again.. please... i agree with rth... adopting things from religions that they think of as sacreligeous... thats irony at its best.. but whatever.. i can respect your beliefs... your God is just a part ...[text shortened]... you could respect that... that takes care of my view of "sin"...
But that Bible says all we need is faith, SO THEREFORE my FAITH is what PROVES that he exsists.