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Originally posted by Suziannewhere has he claimed and I quote that he has the 'only correct' translation. Your accusation of cherry picking is also without corroboration.
Understanding the Bible is one thing. Commandeering it to claim that "only" you have the "correct" translation, when all you're doing is cherry-picking so that it supports your doctrine, which your church already had in place before you came out with your "translation" is the same as just re-arranging the furniture to match something you saw in "Goo ...[text shortened]... i] you had already created your doctrine. And you wonder why the rest of us aren't "buying" it.
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Originally posted by SuzianneThanks for your comments. Had to answer this before I leave.
Understanding the Bible is one thing. Commandeering it to claim that "only" you have the "correct" translation, when all you're doing is cherry-picking so that it supports your doctrine, which your church already had in place before you came out with your "translation" is the same as just re-arranging the furniture to match something you saw in "Goo ...[text shortened]... i] you had already created your doctrine. And you wonder why the rest of us aren't "buying" it.
You said "I must wonder why no one gets it"?
This is not correct at all. We completely know why a few get it and most don't. It is no mystery at all. In fact we clearly know why "most" do not get it. History has proved over and over that "most" will not get it when it comes to the truth of God and his word the Bible.
We completely understand why the vast majority of the people will never see it and even why the so called Christian religions will never agree with us. No surprise there because even Jesus said that he will tell many to get away from him because of their lack of "accurate knowledge". So it is easy to conclude that the majority would not agree with us on our view of the bible. Right?
We wish all would see the bible as we do and see it's power daily in the way God's spirit thru the directions in the bible leads us to the truths in the bible, not confusion or conflicts that most here have on even simple truths.
We present the truths to all. That is our commission from Jesus, and we wish all would see it which is only accomplished by ones heart looking for the truth.
And no we haven't rearranged anything. With Jehovah and his son guiding us all that's happened is the false teachings that some bibles hint of, such as the trinity have been removed back to the truths in the bible.
I'm very sorry that you don't see it. But if you do with Jehovah's help and only by his help, you will know exactly why we say with a complete and nondoubting heart that the truth does exist and is very alive and doing exactly what Jehovah and his son Jesus says to do with it by using ones that only accept the truth, not any man made traditions or ideas which are directed by satan even as the Bible admits is the ruler of this world.
Give it a try.......
Originally posted by galveston75With Jehovah and his son guiding JWs, you have made hundreds of predictions and have gotten ALL wrong. I think God would not take kindly to your claims that He is guiding you.
Thanks for your comments. Had to answer this before I leave.
You said "I must wonder why no one gets it"?
This is not correct at all. We completely know why a few get it and most don't. It is no mystery at all. In fact we clearly know why "most" do not get it. History has proved over and over that "most" will not get it when it comes to the truth o ...[text shortened]... re directed by satan even as the Bible admits is the ruler of this world.
Give it a try.......
Originally posted by Rajk999In the meantime Christendom has engaged in two world wars literally killing tens of millions of persons, has watered down his word to such an extent that practicing homosexuals are now accepted members of the clergy. I don't think we shall be taking any lessons from you on guidance.
With Jehovah and his son guiding JWs, you have made hundreds of predictions and have gotten ALL wrong. I think God would not take kindly to your claims that He is guiding you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
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Originally posted by galveston75Were 'Jehovah and his son' guiding your organisation when over 1800 children were sexually abused in Australian JW congregations?
Thanks for your comments. Had to answer this before I leave.
You said "I must wonder why no one gets it"?
This is not correct at all. We completely know why a few get it and most don't. It is no mystery at all. In fact we clearly know why "most" do not get it. History has proved over and over that "most" will not get it when it comes to the truth o ...[text shortened]... re directed by satan even as the Bible admits is the ruler of this world.
Give it a try.......
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Originally posted by Proper KnobYes indeed because the brothers did all that they could under the circumstances. An extract from the Royal commission report which contains some rather inaccurate and inflammatory statements too numerous to go into detail here reads,
Were 'Jehovah and his son' guiding your organisation when over 1800 children were abused in Australian JW congregations?
The Royal Commission will hear that since 1950:
a. 401 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse were disfellowshipped; 78 of whom where disfellowshipped on more than one occasion; and
b. 190 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse were reproved; 11 of whom were reproved on more than one occasion.
This is entirely in harmony with Biblical procedure.
If there was no corroboration the report reads that the brothers,
If there was insufficient evidence to substantiate the alleged child sexual abuse, the matter is held in abeyance and Elders are directed to “remain vigilant with regard to the conduct and activity of the accused”.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx
Rather interestingly out of this 1800 ( I can find the number nowhere in the Royal commissions report, there are only two persons that give testimony'. Rather strange considering there is an alleged 1800 allegations.
So to answer your question, yes the brothers were acting under Gods direction at all times. Infact it was probably because of their willingness to apply Biblical principles that they are at odds with secular authorities who have little or no concept of these principles or organizational procedures.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTherefore the JWs are no better than any other Christian sect .. while there are homosexuals in the clergy, there are child-abusers and pedophiles among JW elders. Whats the difference? All of mankind will stand to be judged by God with their sins exposed.
In the meantime Christendom has engaged in two world wars literally killing tens of millions of persons, has watered down his word to such an extent that practicing homosexuals are now accepted members of the clergy. I don't think we shall be taking any lessons from you on guidance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
So instead of coming to this forum like arrogant dicks, you, Galveston and roigam should practice some humility.
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Originally posted by Rajk999the only person that is displaying any arrogance is you. Nor have they claimed to be better than anyone else.
Therefore the JWs are no better than any other Christian sect .. while there are homosexuals in the clergy, there are child-abusers and pedophiles among JW elders. Whats the difference? All of mankind will stand to be judged by God with their sins exposed.
So instead of coming to this forum like arrogant dicks, you, Galveston and roigam should practice some humility.
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Originally posted by Captain StrangeStrange I have known only one person, an old ladie who was a witness, she was not a leader of anyone and it was her hope that she would go to heaven. How do you explain that, oh yes, cause you don't know anything about Jehovahs witnesses, their beliefs other than what you can Google. Man what an ultra noob.
Your elite JW's think they are better than anyone else and only they
will go to heaven.
Originally posted by Proper KnobFrom the Royal commission itself and not some third hand tabloid,
Were 'Jehovah and his son' guiding your organisation when over 1800 children were sexually abused in Australian JW congregations?
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not condone or cover up the abhorrent sin and crime
of child sexual abuse. In fact, as is clear from the statistical summary quoted
by Counsel Assisting the Royal Commission in his opening address, it is quite
apparent that Jehovah’s Witnesses have for at least the last 65 years taken a
proactive role in investigating and documenting such abuse and taking action
against proved abusers.
Jehovah’s Witnesses, like the members of other faiths, are law-abiding
citizens of the countries in which they live. However, like all imperfect
humans, an individual within the faith may commit a serious sin that is also a
violation of the secular law. Jehovah’s Witnesses invariably address such a
breach according to their Bible-based religious beliefs and practices. For the
reasons developed further below, it would be wrong to conclude that the
religious principles, procedures and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses applied
in dealing with matters of sin within their congregations were intended to
supplant the criminal law or to provide an alternative system for dealing with
criminal conduct.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour coming in a bit early with the insults tonight Robbie.
Strange I have known only one person, an old ladie who was a witness, she was not a leader of anyone and it was her hope that she would go to heaven. How do you explain that, oh yes, cause you don't know anything about Jehovahs witnesses, their beliefs other than what you can Google. Man what an ultra noob.
True there is a lot of stuff on the interweb about JW mostly derogatory.
But they do have their own web site.
Are you saying this is not to be trusted ?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobThis is not only inaccurate its misleading and entirely dishonest. Its clear that you have not read the commissions published reports and get your information from disreputable sources.
Were 'Jehovah and his son' guiding your organisation when over 1800 children were sexually abused in Australian JW congregations?
CAS Part 2: Historical Child Sexual Abuse
Available findings on historical child sexual abuse data
F2
Since 1950, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation in Australia has received allegations of
child sexual abuse against 1,006 of its members relating to at least 1,800 victims, and
has in that period not reported a single allegation to the police or other authorities,
even though 579 of those against whom an allegation was made confessed to having
committed child sexual abuse.
NOW THE FACTS
9.12 The actual statistic referred to (1,006) needs to be understood in the following
context for the following reasons.
9.13 First, it is wrong to assert that 1,006 were “members” since, of those,
approximately 200 persons were involved in child abuse, or were the subject
of an allegation, prior to their becoming Jehovah’s Witnesses.
9.14 Secondly, there is no evidence that 1,800 persons were, in fact, victims. An
allegation does not mean that a person is a victim. It is well known that in
parenting disputes in the context of family law, unfounded allegations of
sexual abuse of children may be made. Not all such allegations are
substantiated, nor are they necessarily true.
9.15 Thirdly, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a broad definition of sexual misconduct
that includes, for example, “sexting” between minors. Elders are instructed
to call the branch office if they learn that a minor is involved in “sexting”.
9.16 Fourthly, when an allegation is made by an adult survivor of child sexual
abuse, it is not the right of an organisation to make a report on that adult’s
behalf unless the adult requests that it be done. Adults have the right to make
such a choice and organisations are not entitled to deny them that right.
9.17 Fifthly, becoming one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is voluntary. Its organisational
structure, modelled on the first century Christian congregation, exists to serve
God’s purposes. The faith is not an agency or instrumentality of government
entrusted with the responsibility for the supervision and care of children.
9.18 Sixthly, while most of the 1,006 case files referred to by Counsel Assisting
occurred in jurisdictions where ministers of religion were not mandated
reporters, congregation elders are directed to adhere to mandatory reporting
regimes when they apply to ministers of religion.64
9.19 While Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia is not legally obligated
to report allegations of child sexual abuse to the secular authorities, since
August 25, 1989, congregation elders have been directed to contact the
branch office in relation to compliance with reporting requirements.65 Further,
congregation members are free to report such matters to the secular
authorities and many have done so, as is apparent from information provided
to the Commission.66
9.20 The suggested finding is unlikely to assist the Commission in making
appropriate recommendations about what can be done to better respond to
child sexual abuse because it is not placed into any factual context. A mere
recitation of numbers will not assist the Commission.
9.21 It should be noted that in many cases, victims or their families did not want the
secular authorities involved. In still other cases, the victim may have chosen
not to report the abuse until later in life, by which time he or she is an adult.
While most of the 1,006 case files of abuse occurred in jurisdictions
where there was no legal obligation for ministers of religion to report,
contrary to Counsel Assisting’s assertion, the files on hand confirm that
close to 400 cases of abuse have been reported to secular authorities
by victims or others. In some cases, the victims or their families have
exercised their right not to report the matter to the secular authorities
and their decision has been respected by congregation elders. In still
other instances, the victims or their families have later decided to report
the matter and congregation elders have provided support.
Jehovah’s Witnesses, consistent with Australian and international instruments, consider
that it is the right of the survivor and/or the survivor’s family to report the matter to
secular authorities.
Where the secular authorities require that it be reported by elders, the elders report
the matter to the authorities.