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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemAh, gotcha.
Of course not. Because, you see, he knew in advance it was going to change, and he was quite certain it would.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeThat is a traditional trait given to God that I am not sure about.
And His omniscience?
If God is all knowing, why didn't he anticipate the arrival of the lemons?
Originally posted by checkbaiterIs this in the Bible : It is seed created in them, it cannot be undone?
Someone who receives Jesus as Lord has to honestly submit to him. God is not mocked, he knows the heart.
But someone who receives in all honesty and humility and then is weak because he does not make an honest effort to study and walk the walk, because they are distracted by the world or some other reason is still saved. It is seed created in them, it c ...[text shortened]... .
Again there are grave consequences and I don't know the details but they will still be saved.
Originally posted by Rajk999Not discussing this with you again, we have covered this before and the scripture has been submitted before.
Is this in the Bible : It is seed created in them, it cannot be undone?
Rather I should say that there is nothing in the Bible that says something cannot be undone.
The closest passage to what you say is this:
[i]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man de ...[text shortened]...
1. Those who sin are children of the devil
2. Those who live righteously are children of God.
Originally posted by checkbaiterAgain I disagree, I believe He sets up what He wants and allows for us to change the
No, circumstances change, and he changes his mind to make the best out of bad circumstances. He makes lemonade out of lemons.
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe tradition in that the devil has to ask God for permission to attack a Christian, or anybody?
Again I disagree, I believe He sets up what He wants and allows for us to change the
circumstances so we either turn towards Him or not on our own. The condemnation we
are under before turning out lives over to Him is sure and we are without a doubt heading
where I sins will take us while under grace that sin is covered by the blood. He works it
all out ...[text shortened]... stance do not surprise Him where He has to think
fast and recover from something that comes up.
Originally posted by KellyJayNo, he is not surprised, but Satan changes circumstances as well as us. By change his mind, I also mean do something different than what was originally planned.
Again I disagree, I believe He sets up what He wants and allows for us to change the
circumstances so we either turn towards Him or not on our own. The condemnation we
are under before turning out lives over to Him is sure and we are without a doubt heading
where I sins will take us while under grace that sin is covered by the blood. He works it
all out ...[text shortened]... stance do not surprise Him where He has to think
fast and recover from something that comes up.
Originally posted by checkbaiterAs I pointed out that is done, but it isn't that something comes up He isn't aware of it will
No, he is not surprised, but Satan changes circumstances as well as us. By change his mind, I also mean do something different than what was originally planned.
Somethings are unchangeable. God can and will make certain things happen and nothing can stop him.
Originally posted by KellyJayMy point is I do not think God knows all the future. Otherwise freewill is gone.
As I pointed out that is done, but it isn't that something comes up He isn't aware of it will
be something that comes up that He has already setup for.
Originally posted by checkbaiterWhy would free will be gone? Knowing and causing are two different things.
My point is I do not think God knows all the future. Otherwise freewill is gone.
If I have a decision to make, I can go one of two ways. God has a pretty good idea what I will choose, but not 100% certainty. Yes, he can prepare for either.
Originally posted by KellyJayAre you a Calvinist? If so, it matters not what we do, it is all preordained.
Why would free will be gone? Knowing and causing are two different things.
Originally posted by checkbaiterIf it is all done without us really having a choice then God is playing make believe with us
Are you a Calvinist? If so, it matters not what we do, it is all preordained.
Look at Wiki about open Theism...maybe you will get a better picture...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_theism