16 Jan 07
at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomWhy do you see autism so extremely negatively? And why are you only interested in a Christian point of view?
at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by Nordlysbecause i am a christian, and there is nothing wrong with an autism person, only that they dont get the chance to experience or know what we do
Why do you see autism so extremely negatively? And why are you only interested in a Christian point of view?
16 Jan 07
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Originally posted by EcstremeVenomNot even close. You're describing someone who's developmentally delayed. Autism is nothing like that. http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer
yes i did, when i was a baby. autism is like a slow maturing
http://www.autismspeaks.org/
etc.
edit: I can't find the web site I really want 😳
edit again: http://www.wrongplanet.net/ Found it! I kept looking for "different planet"
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by reader1107Main Entry: au·tism
Not even close. You're describing someone who's developmentally delayed. Autism is nothing like that. http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer
http://www.autismspeaks.org/
etc.
Pronunciation: 'o-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
: a variable developmental disorder that appears by age three and is characterized by impairment of the ability to form normal social relationships, by impairment of the ability to communicate with others, and by stereotyped behavior patterns
ok i was a little off (i think i described one type of autism), but there was a time when we were in a sense "autistic" and it was when we were young. when we couldnt socialize
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomThere's a lot more to it than a dictionary definition gives you.
Main Entry: au·tism
Pronunciation: 'o-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
: a variable developmental disorder that appears by age three and is characterized by impairment of the ability to form normal social relationships, by impairment of the ability to communicate with others, and by stereotyped behavior patterns
ok i was a little off (i think i described o ...[text shortened]... when we were in a sense "autistic" and it was when we were young. when we couldnt socialize
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomNo, when people who are not on the autistim spectrum were young, they did not have the same *experiences* as you put it as those who are. It is a way of perceiving and experiencing and relating to the world. Assuming for the sake of argument that you had a loving mother who held you and did the average mother sort of things with you, when you were an infant you were able to react to your mother's face and other cues. You learned that smiling caused her to smile, and you guaged your reactions to hers. As time passed, you were also able to do this with other people. You learned to interpret their body language much sooner than you understood and spoke words. In fact, it was this ability that facilitated your ability to learn your language. Where one is on the autism spectrum determines how far from yours their experiences were and/or are. But an autistic infant and toddler would not have those skills of interpreting facial expressions -- and may not even be able to differentiate between people and other objects.
but did we not experience that when we were young? (can we get back on topic?)
16 Jan 07
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Originally posted by reader1107good point, youre right; i see the difference now. lets get back on topic
No, when people who are not on the autistim spectrum were young, they did not have the same *experiences* as you put it as those who are. It is a way of perceiving and experiencing and relating to the world. Assuming for the sake of argument that you had a loving mother who held you and did the average mother sort of things with you, when you were an in cial expressions -- and may not even be able to differentiate between people and other objects.
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomHow so? What's this thread about if it's not about autism? And if your whole argument is based on the view that autism is something terrible which God shouldn't have allowed, how is it not relevant to challenge this view which most autistic people I know vehemently disagree with?
youre still getting off topic, this is what being a troll is
16 Jan 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomTo be autistic involves a physical reality of how the brain works one way in some people and another way in other people. The people doing most of the talking are the ones saying that their way is the "correct" way, so to speak. How do you know that we don't all become autistic in heaven or hell, that we're cured from not being autistic? Since heaven and hell aren't physical, geographical locations, bodily questions are a moot point.
at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?