basic logic of right and wrong

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
A reminder for those who can't follow a thread.

*Obviously increased intelligence doesn't guarantee a good moral outlook.

Which only strengthens the truth of the sinful nature.

Originally posted by @bunnyknight
Have you ever noticed how children, even very young ones, get angry when they are exposed to injustice or a lie?
Promise them something, then break that promise, and their mind short-circuits.
Give them only 3 muffins while their friends get 4, and their mind goes off the rails.

It seems like intelligent life forms have some sort of basic log ...[text shortened]... part of any intelligent construct, sort of like gravity in our universe. I find it fascinating.

Wanting to have things your way is wrong so I'd say your examples are of children acting wrongly.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Or do you believe stoning gays is always wrong under all circumstances without exception and therefore it is a moral absolute that stoning gays is always wrong?

This question says an awful lot about you.
None of it good.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Growth of intelligence (and consequently morality) is greatly susceptible to social influences, learning behaviour and trauma.

A child is not born a murderer, but with poor socialisation, may indeed grow in to one.

Edit: Quite a naïve question, if you don't mind me saying so.

This answer caught my eye on a re-read of the thread.

Surely some few are born with sociopathic tendencies...an innate lack of ability to bond with and care about other people?

I heard one story of a guy who got in a car wreck. Part of the brain got scraped on a jagged bit of the skull, and he lost his ability to care about others. Perhaps some are born this way due to birth defects?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
This question says an awful lot about you.
None of it good.

That is rich coming from someone whose standard for 'good' and 'evil' is constantly changing.

Originally posted by @vivify
Answer plainly: is it wrong to kill someone for being gay? Yes or no?

I'll answer you plainly once you answer the questions you have dodged plainly.

-Removed-

So you were being dishonest then when I acknowledged your honesty?

-Removed-

At this point in time no.

Is the stoning of gays universally morally wrong or not?

Originally posted by @checkbaiter
Which only strengthens the truth of the sinful nature.

No, it strengthens the truth that people are influenced to varying degrees by life experiences.

My experience is that a healthy nature, exposed to the right influences, will mature in to a morality governed by intelligence.

Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
This answer caught my eye on a re-read of the thread.

Surely some few are born with sociopathic tendencies...an innate lack of ability to bond with and care about other people?

I heard one story of a guy who got in a car wreck. Part of the brain got scraped on a jagged bit of the skull, and he lost his ability to care about others. Perhaps some are born this way due to birth defects?

I would categorise that under the 'trauma; I mentioned.

Some people are indeed born (or develop as a result of brain injury etc) the sociopathic behaviour you referenced. I was keen however to differentiate that from the Christian idea of a 'sinful nature', as this is very much the exception, not the norm.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
This question says an awful lot about you.
None of it good.

If it’s simply ‘good’ according to your subjective opinion of ‘good’ then I can live with that. 🙂 If however an objective standard of good were to exist, it might worry me.