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Originally posted by FMFIt seems Fetchmyjunk has reached bottom gear.
Groomed?
Originally posted by DeepThought... so there are constraints on what one can talk oneself into believing.Of course. Humans are pliable though. There are creationist geologists for example.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI consider my ability to believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, something of a miracle that has taken place in me.
There are some people on here who think we can't choose any of our beliefs. They say that you can only believe something that you find believable and that you can't choose to believe something that you don't find believable. This seems to indicate that we do not have the ability to decide whether something is believable or not. The way I see it, we are t ...[text shortened]... o light. Also I believe that even if something is 'convincing' we have the ability to reject it.
Originally posted by sonshipIf not everyone has the ability to choose to believe in God, wouldn't that have to mean that only a select few have been predestined to believe in God?
I consider my ability to believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, something of a miracle that has taken place in me.
Now if you press me and ask how did I choose to believe if I needed a miracle to believe, I would say, I don't know.
Obviously, I think the miracle can happen to other people or else I would not be a preacher of the Gospel.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThese are matters which are hard for me to figure out.
If not everyone has the ability to choose to believe in God, wouldn't that have to mean that only a select few have been predestined to believe in God?
King James 2000 Bible
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
American King James Version
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
American Standard Version
So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI would like to share more about Abraham the so-called father of faith. But it occurs to me that you may be talking mostly about the belief in God just on the level of His existence.
There are some people on here who think we can't choose any of our beliefs. They say that you can only believe something that you find believable and that you can't choose to believe something that you don't find believable. This seems to indicate that we do not have the ability to decide whether something is believable or not. The way I see it, we are t ...[text shortened]... o light. Also I believe that even if something is 'convincing' we have the ability to reject it.
"Because that which is known of God is manifest within them, for God manifested it to them. For both the invisible things of Him, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being perceived by the things made, so that they are without excuse." (See Rom. 1:19,20)
Originally posted by apathistNo, you disingenuously redescribed my view, precisely as I already pointed out. And now you've resorted to lying about it.
No, I saw a contradiction and pointed it out. The rest is from your imagination.
Originally posted by LemonJello
... Again, my view is that, generally speaking, deliberative belief formation is handcuffed to cognitive verisimilitude; and, again generally speaking, that is in turn not within one’s control. ...
Originally posted by apathist
But 'deliberative belief formation' is certainly within one's control. What does 'cognitive verisimilitude' mean, and how does it make 'deliberative belief formation' become non-deliberative?
Originally posted by apathistI'd say there is plenty of honest discussion going on around here and that the personal attacks ~ when they crop up in those discussions, and where they are not just part of the general banter that's going on (and always has been) ~ more often than not indicate where the honest discussion is not going someone's way.
The style around here seems to be all about personal attacks instead of honest discussion. But whatever, as long as everyone is having fun.