Originally posted by Zahlanzi
but jesus didn't take it seriously.
he basically ends the mosaic law.
he introduces the "odd" idea that we should be kind to our enemies. he preaches love and forgiveness. throughout the OT god forgives some but not until he punishes them in quite gruesome ways. except for the temple scene where jesus lets his stress (he was gonna die shortly, sking about divorce) doesn't mean he supports a young earth, all the massacres and so on.
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but jesus didn't take it seriously.
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Explain to us why Jesus said
" ... Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). What
"Scripture" is Jesus refering to but the Hebrew Bible at the time?
Jesus had to have taken the story of Tyre and Sidon to have been true or He would not have taught this:
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the works of power which tookd place in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." But I say to you, It will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in teh day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 12:21,22)
It make no sense that Jesus would say it would be more tolerable for mythical people than for real historical people on the day of judgment.
Jesus also took the account of the judgment of Sodom as history:
"And you, Capernaum, who have be exalted to heaven, to Hades you will be brought down. For if the works of power which took place in you had taken place in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
But I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 12:23,24)
For Jesus to teach that Sodom would have remained until that present day proves His regard for the judgment of Sodon in Genesis 19 as history. And He would not teach that it would be more tolerable for a mythical people than for real historical people in the last judgment.
You have no case that Jesus did not take these Old Testament stories as fact.
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he basically ends the mosaic law.
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The sense in which
"Christ is the end of the law" as the Apostel Paul wrote, could not be unless Christ took the law seriously. He came to fulfill its demands on behalf of the rest of us.
He had to have taken the law of Moses seriously for Him to fulfill the law's demands and say:
"For this is My blood of the covenant, which is beeing poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." (Matt. 28)
To offer Himself as the propitiatory sacrifice for sins, He had to have taken the law of Moses seriously to the extent that He alone qualified to redeem sinners. He alone could be that spotless Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world which was under the condemnation of Moses's law.
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he introduces the "odd" idea that we should be kind to our enemies.
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What He does is show that God cares more than just the outward action. God cares for the innermost motive of the heart. Whereas, it was the law that your repayment for evil not exceed that which was owed -
"eye for eye, tooth for tooth", Jesus revealed a more penetrating and higher way - to love your enemies.
He is going deeper into man's being. When can conform to many outward legalities. But Christ teaches that men should live the highest level of human morality on earth out from the deepest part of the personality.
To do this requires another divine life to be imparted into our life. It requires an organic union with God through regeneration. Christ Himself, Who alone lives the highest level of morality, must come to live a mingled life with His people.
This economy was prophesied to come as the
"new covenant" by the prophet Jeremiah in
Jeremiah 31:31-33 which includes not only words about forgiveness and not remembering sins anymore, but also having God's nature imparted into His people:
"And they will no longer teach, each nab gus beighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for all shall know Me, from the liuttle one among them even to the great one among them, declares Jehovah, for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jer. 31:33)
Both the law of Moses and the prophets were taken seriously by Jesus Christ.
His work of salvation is built upon the law and the prophets.
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he preaches love and forgiveness. throughout the OT god forgives some but not until he punishes them in quite gruesome ways.
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This is not always true. This is a superfiscial apprehension of the Old Testament with generalizations that do not always prove true. For example, David writes in the Psalms
"He [God] has not dealt with us according to our sins, Nor has He recompensed us according to our iniquities.. As compassionate as a father is toward his children, So compassionate is Jehovah toward those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust." (Psalam 103:10,13)
You are making some generalizations but they do not impress me as coming from one who has read the the Bible that much.
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except for the temple scene where jesus lets his stress (he was gonna die shortly, its understandable) get to him, not once does jesus say : "i will not cure your daughter because you were evil at some point. i am going to let her die so you can learn your lesson"
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The Bible has a perculiar effect on some people. The
less they read it, the
more they fancy themselves to know all about it. Your generalizations do not always hold true for God's actions in the Old Testament.
I could spend all day showing examples of God's mercy, longsuffering, compassion in the Old Testament. David knew this, and he wrote
"Jehovah is compassionate and gracious. Long-suffering and abundant in livingkindess. He will not always contend with us, Now will He keep His anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins."
It would be good if you read the Bible more thoroughly without the colored glasses of a kind of Humanism eager to pit Jesus against the God of the Old Testament.
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just because jesus at some point makes a remark that may have sounded like he supported adam and eve story (to make a point to the doods asking about divorce) doesn't mean he supports a young earth, all the massacres and so on.
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Maybe that is true concerning the time of creation.
I, for one, mentioned nothing that I recall about YEC or OEC.
That sounds like a debate you are having with someone else.
For this discussion, Jesus could not teach that He quaified to be either Son of God or Messiah or Son of David or the Prophet that Moses said was to come unless He tool the law and the prophets as God's word in truth.
God's revelation of His will is progressive. And at the appropriate time this God became flesh in incarnation to redeem man and enter into His people as
"life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45).
No one took the law and the prophets more seriously then Jesus Christ.