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Originally posted by C HessOh! Absolutely crushing.
Nooooo. 😲
Surely not? I never would have thought.
http://youtu.be/k6PWFvzKl3I
We believers in Jesus are DEVASTASHED !
But then again - what some other NT scholars with equivalent training would say -
Bart Erhman verses Graig Evans - debate
"Does the New Testament Present a Reliable Portrait of Jesus?"
William Lane Craig lectures on Bart Erhman - a lecture
"Historical Text, Historical Savior; Answering Bart Erhman's Critque of the Historical Jesus "
Norm Giesler on Bart Erhman -
"The Errors of Bart Erhman"
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15 Nov 14
Originally posted by sonshipI see that, and I raise with the true story of jesus's ressurection. Brace yourself:
Oh! Absolutely crushing.
We believers in Jesus are DEVASTASHED !
But then again - what some other NT scholars with equivalent training would say -
[b] Bart Erhman verses Graig Evans - debate
"Does the New Testament Present a Reliable Portrait of Jesus?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOnJSKBVrys
William Lane Cr ...[text shortened]... -
"The Errors of Bart Erhman"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgt1Zz2_u3s[/b]
Jesus: the cover-up:
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Originally posted by C HessWhile I check on it at leisure here's Derrell Bock, Ph.D. , co-author with Daniel Wallace, Ph.D, of "Dethroning Jesus: Exposing Popular Culture's Quest to Unseat the Biblical Christ" as he takes on Bart Erhman on live radio.
I see that, and I raise with the true story of jesus's ressurection. Brace yourself:
Jesus: the cover-up: http://youtu.be/7gvv_UM7CYg
"Was the New Testament Forged?" on live British talk program "Unbelievable".
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16 Nov 14
Originally posted by FMFThe content is mostly a recapitulation of things revealed elsewhere in Scripture. It is a grand finale of the whole Bible. It is like the climax of a long symphony in which earlier themes are revisited.
Where does its content come from?
It hales back to Daniel, to Zechariah, to Exodus, to Isaiah and Ezekiel.
Without Revelation the Bible has no real conclusion. You would be hard pressed to find much that is absolutely new in Revelation.
John the writer, God used to write:
1.) The last Gospel.
2.) Virtually the last epistle.
3.) The last book of the New Testament.
4.) The last book of the entire Bible.
God entrusted this beloved disciple with the last word many times.
Jude comes after Third John. But Jude is practically a re-speaking of Second Peter.
This disciple who was so close to Jesus, God ordained to pen the final word of the whole divine revelation of Scripture.
While I might not encourage a new believer to start her reading with Revelation, I would strongly encourage it eventually after much of the Bible had been absorbed.
16 Nov 14
Originally posted by sonshipWhat I asked was where does the actual content of the Book of Revelation come from?
The content is mostly a recapitulation of things revealed elsewhere in Scripture. It is a grand finale of the whole Bible. It is like the climax of a long symphony in which earlier themes are revisited.
16 Nov 14
Originally posted by sonshipIndeed. But you've been dancing around since I asked you where the actual content of the Book of Revelation came from. I think I know why.
The whole 66 books of the Bible were written.
Did you think it came floating down from the sky with wings?
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Originally posted by FMFI asked you a simple question - Why you thought the book of Revelation was evidence of a tampered with Bible.
And so someone wrote the stuff that's in it.
You responded with a question. Where did the content come from? you asked.
You never told me why you think it evidences a tampered with Bible.
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Originally posted by FMFYou've danced around the question why you think Revelation evidences a tampered with Bible.
Indeed. But you've been dancing around since I asked you where the actual content of the Book of Revelation came from. I think I know why.
I learned about Inspiration, Illumination, Transmission, and canonity from a good book by Norm Giesler - "A General Introduction to the Bible" .
Lots of issues there. And lots of scholarly dealing with the objections, problems, and history of the OT and NT canon. I'm not going to re-write all those chapters post by post here.
I recommend the book to others who are interested to know How God communicated a Book from God to us. That is as much as we can understand, and the different schools of thought where we are not sure.