I asked:

How many threads focused on the subject have you started ?

Going back Five pages I counted three explicit threads on the subject of eternal punishment started by FMF.

Originally posted by sonship
A "black hole" is far fetched. You mean an object so dense that not even [b]light can escape from its gravity ? That is far-fetched.

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Far-fetched to you but not most of us.

Originally posted by sonship
Going back Five pages I counted three explicit threads on the subject of eternal punishment started by FMF.

So?

Originally posted by sonship
The "far-fetched" must exist. And it must righteously so.

How do you know something "far-fetched" does not exist?

A "black hole" is far fetched. You mean an object so dense that not even [b]light can escape from its gravity ? That is far-fetched.

Can you be so sure that something far-fetched between God and the impenitent enemy of God c ...[text shortened]... f making an atheist more open minded to the thought of God's existence.

Do you have a case ?[/b]

A "black hole" is far fetched. You mean an object so dense that not even light can escape from its gravity ? That is far-fetched.

At the centre of the galaxy there is an object so dense that, based on observations of the motions of nearby stars, it has a mass of 4.31 ± 0.38 million solar masses. There is a star called S0-16 with would collide with it if it had a radius larger than 45 times the distance between the earth and the sun. To be a black hole it's radius would need to be 0.08 AU. If you don't want to believe in black holes be my guest, but that thing can't really be anything else. I can go through the physics and show why light can't escape from them if you like. The Wikipedia pages about these objects are good, I can't see any errors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-1

Originally posted by DeepThought

If you don't want to believe in black holes be my guest,

Could you please quote me where I said I did not or did not want to believe in black holes ?

I said it was a far-fetched concept. I followed that by saying I believe that something far-fetched exists.

Originally posted by sonship
I said it was a far-fetched concept.

Black holes are far-fetched? How so?

Originally posted by FMF
Black holes are far-fetched? How so?

Well, you just try and fetch one, brother. They're really far-fetched, indeed.

Originally posted by C Hess
Well, you just try and fetch one, brother. They're really far-fetched, indeed.

Not if a Christian says so!

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Far-fetched to you but not most of us.

You think I know nothing about astronomy or cosmology ?
I don't know how old you are but I was reading George Gamow in the early sixties. I had telescopes then too. This is in my early teens.

Black holes are what I would call a pretty weird phenomenon.
Actually a neutron star is pretty far-fetched.

The thought of a teaspoon amount of material from a neutron star weighing millions of tons on earth? I call it far-fetched.

Originally posted by C Hess
Nooooo. 😲

Surely not? I never would have thought.

http://youtu.be/k6PWFvzKl3I

Tampering with the Word of a God is from the beginning, but God preserves His Word.

Psalm 12:6,7
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Originally posted by josephw
Tampering with the Word of a God is from the beginning, but God preserves His Word.

Psalm 12:6,7
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

M ...[text shortened]... and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Amen to that.
Great passages.

Originally posted by josephw
Tampering with the Word of a God is from the beginning, but God preserves His Word.

Psalm 12:6,7
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

M ...[text shortened]... and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So the book that's been tampered with, says it's not been tampered with? Convincing.

Originally posted by C Hess
So the book that's been tampered with, says it's not been tampered with? Convincing.

No, it is not just convincing because it itself says it is preserved. It is convincing also because things like the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls evidence that it was preserved. The ancient and lost, rediscovered and compared with the modern. That preservation has occurred is evidenced.

IE. the book of Isaiah

Originally posted by C Hess
So the book that's been tampered with, says it's not been tampered with? Convincing.

I didn't say it said it wasn't tampered with.

I said God says He preserves His Word.

You need to know this. It's essential. But first you need to know God exists. 😕

Originally posted by sonship
No, it is not just convincing because it itself says it is preserved. It is convincing also because things like the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls evidence that it was preserved. The ancient and lost, rediscovered and compared with the modern. That preservation has occurred is evidenced.

IE. the book of [b]Isaiah[/b]

True. God preserves His Word by several methods. One is by the multiplicity of copies.