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    14 Jun '08 02:32
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    What ethnicity were Lot and his daughters? Why are there laws about what fine to pay if you rape someone in Genesis? What about 2 Samuel 13:14?
    Lot was Abraham's nephew.
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    I like this one...

    Romans 1:28-32
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    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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    Some of these posts remind me of Satan using the Word of God to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

    Why come into this thread and hijack it, by quoting Holy scripture out of context for your own disgusting entertainment?

    My only conclussion: to belittle those that are believers and to ruin a perfectly wonderful and encouraging thread.

    That, in my opinion, is completely ignorant and shameful.😳


    If Christians repeatively went into non-spiritual threads and kept quoting scriptures... non-believers, like these people, would be in a uproar and foaming at the mouth.
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    14 Jun '08 05:31
    Originally posted by josephw
    I don't recall reading about rape and incest committed by the Jews in the Bible.
    http://richarddawkins.net/article,2642,n,n

    Have at you!
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    14 Jun '08 05:33
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    I like this one...

    Romans 1:28-32
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    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, maligni ...[text shortened]... g scriptures... non-believers, like these people, would be in a uproar and foaming at the mouth.
    Blah blah blah blah.

    We're only quoting the bible. If you don't like it, the Qur'an might suit you better, or perhaps a children's book.
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    14 Jun '08 05:35
    Originally posted by josephw
    God isn't on the hook. You and I are.

    When you even suggest that God is in support of the atrocities you list you reveal the shallowness of your understanding. I'm not saying you are shallow. But your thinking is.

    Do you think God, any God, that posses that characteristics ascribed to God, would condone evil?

    You must begin to understand the God ...[text shortened]... Holy. The moment you accuse God of a crime you have swerved off the path of reason and logic.
    Hey, you guys are always claiming God to be perfect and loving. Killing people is neither, in my book.

    But hey, keep your monster God.
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    14 Jun '08 05:572 edits
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    I like this one...

    Romans 1:28-32
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    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, maligni ...[text shortened]... g scriptures... non-believers, like these people, would be in a uproar and foaming at the mouth.
    Turnabout is fair play. The religious right is happy to boycott books and movies for being too obscene, or too graphic. And yet they give little kids Bibles, which have porn and graphic violence in several of the stories.
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    14 Jun '08 12:31
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Hey, you guys are always claiming God to be perfect and loving. Killing people is neither, in my book.

    But hey, keep your monster God.
    The science that develops the machine that can kill millions at once is the monster! As a matter of fact, I'd say that more people die as a result of the use of the technology science has created than all the people that died at the hand of God.

    Man is the monster!
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    14 Jun '08 13:411 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    The science that develops the machine that can kill millions at once is the monster! As a matter of fact, I'd say that more people die as a result of the use of the technology science has created than all the people that died at the hand of God.

    Man is the monster!
    I agree. Man can be truly monsterous.

    Science however is not monsterous. That is akin to saying a TV is monterous, or a car is monsterous. Science is just a method of finding out information, how that information is used it down to people's morality, amongst other things - something science has no position on.

    However, we can attribute many lives saved, especially in terms of medicines developed, to science, although, again, man is the proxy.

    [edit; your God is posited to be an individual who can be held accountable for his actions, however, science is merely a methodology or tool. Blaming science for killing people is like blaming a gun for killing someone. It was a person, an individual, who took the gun and pulled the trigger, who is to blame. (admitedly, I favour gun control, since free gun ownership facilitates murder)]
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    14 Jun '08 16:24
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Turnabout is fair play. The religious right is happy to boycott books and movies for being too obscene, or too graphic. And yet they give little kids Bibles, which have porn and graphic violence in several of the stories.
    To assume that a young child would be negatively affected by reading the Bible is simply preposterous.

    As far as Christians banning books, what books are you referring to?

    (Please be more specific, name some book titles and a description of each of those books.)
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    14 Jun '08 16:381 edit
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    Lot was Abraham's nephew.
    You didn't answer my question. Was he a Jew or not?
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    14 Jun '08 16:39
    Originally posted by josephw
    The science that develops the machine that can kill millions at once is the monster! As a matter of fact, I'd say that more people die as a result of the use of the technology science has created than all the people that died at the hand of God.

    Man is the monster!
    The science...is the monster!

    And that's why we have ID.
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    14 Jun '08 16:41
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    To assume that a young child would be negatively affected by reading the Bible is simply preposterous.

    As far as Christians banning books, what books are you referring to?

    (Please be more specific, name some book titles and a description of each of those books.)
    I don't find it preposterous. I bet most Christians control which books the children are exposed to to avoid the nasty stuff.

    Then there are the rabidly violent religious folks, like that lady who wished Christians were as devout as Muslim suicide bombers.
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    14 Jun '08 18:14
    Deuteronomy 20:10-14

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    Yes, one of my favourites - it proves the bibile for what it is - the history of tribal warfare and a load of nonsense - of course I could go on posting quotes like this all day and all night - the bible is full of gems like this.
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    14 Jun '08 19:31
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    To assume that a young child would be negatively affected by reading the Bible is simply preposterous.

    As far as Christians banning books, what books are you referring to?

    (Please be more specific, name some book titles and a description of each of those books.)
    Did you read some of the bible verses in this thread? If you think they are appropriate reading material for a 5-year old, I think you're nuts.

    Who said anything about banning? Don't you think you should read posts correctly before asking others to do homework for you?
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    14 Jun '08 19:39
    Originally posted by clearlight
    Deuteronomy 20:10-14

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in ...[text shortened]... ould go on posting quotes like this all day and all night - the bible is full of gems like this.
    So God apparently endorses: Slavery, genocide, kidnapping of children, forced marriage [and thus rape], and grand theft. How do OT literalists keep a straight face when they claim God is loving and benevolent?
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