19 Sep 09
Could someone explain why the bible is accepted as the ultimate word of truth when there is no proof it is the word of god or even that there is a god? Also for the sake of argument, let's say there are 100 religions in the world. Inevitably the believer is positive his is correct and the other 99 are wrong. That is to say the atheist and the believer agree on 99% with the only disagreement being about the one religion of the believer.
Don't you think accepting something as absolutely true which can not be absolutely proven is not a sign of wisdom but rather a sign of wishful thinking?
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by 667joeNot only is there no proof that the bible is the word of god, but there is much to indicate that it is not. Whether or not there is a god, it is becoming increasingly clear that the bible is the flawed creation of flawed men.
Could someone explain why the bible is accepted as the ultimate word of truth when there is no proof it is the word of god or even that there is a god? Also for the sake of argument, let's say there are 100 religions in the world. Inevitably the believer is positive his is correct and the other 99 are wrong. That is to say the atheist and the believer ag ...[text shortened]... ch can not be absolutely proven is not a sign of wisdom but rather a sign of wishful thinking?
19 Sep 09
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Originally posted by 667joeIf one does not see the work of God in the complexity of creations around them and including the body you have yourself, then it is a real challenge to convience one that there is a God. But not something impossible to do.
Could someone explain why the bible is accepted as the ultimate word of truth when there is no proof it is the word of god or even that there is a god? Also for the sake of argument, let's say there are 100 religions in the world. Inevitably the believer is positive his is correct and the other 99 are wrong. That is to say the atheist and the believer ag ch can not be absolutely proven is not a sign of wisdom but rather a sign of wishful thinking?
And if one does not believe in God then it is understandably hard to believe in the Bible.
And if one does not believe in the Bible and it's explinations and warnings of the wicked forces that affect the earth we live on, even more so at this time in history, then the truths of what is going on in association with the wicked forces can not be understood and that would lead one to not know how to protect themselves from that influence which can blind one to not knowing and believeing in a God and the Bible.
Kind of a catch 22 thing.
19 Sep 09
while galveston 75 meantwell,the point of the matter is not of a catch 22 nature.1st of all the word of GOD itself says in 2nd timothy 3:16'ALL scripture is inspired of GOD and beneficial for teaching,and reproving and setting things straight.'' quite often the people not believing in the bible have never tried to understand it,and more readily turn to facts based on theory....offered by science.this not not said to insult you but if you took the time and with an open mind, you might find things that would amaze you....so if you are willing we can take that time and explore BOTH sides, my name is emanuel and as you can guess i am a christian, and have been on your end ,so if you would like to see an answer ,i will check in to see if you are willing to accept....
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by 667joeWhat proofs do you think you should see and don't, God Himself?
Could someone explain why the bible is accepted as the ultimate word of truth when there is no proof it is the word of god or even that there is a god? Also for the sake of argument, let's say there are 100 religions in the world. Inevitably the believer is positive his is correct and the other 99 are wrong. That is to say the atheist and the believer ag ...[text shortened]... ch can not be absolutely proven is not a sign of wisdom but rather a sign of wishful thinking?
Kelly
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by 667joeScience does not explain why we are here, it does not touch where
Your explanation is very weak, in fact, not an explanation at all. Science has answered how we got here with much more evidence than the bible. How did got get here by the way?
everything comes from, you are comparing apples and oranges when
you talk about this. All science talks about is process, it only talks
about process, it does not touch where everything came from or why!
With respect to scripture accept it or reject it, I'm not quite sure what
you want for proofs, I could give you some but if you are not clear on
the nature of these I doubt anything shown to you will matter one way
or another.
Kelly
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Originally posted by 667joeWho's post are you answering too? Try to include their comments in your post..Thanks.
Your explanation is very weak, in fact, not an explanation at all. Science has answered how we got here with much more evidence than the bible. How did got get here by the way?
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJaythere are various 'proofs', for exmaple the Bibles internal integrity, written over a period of 1500 years, it contains a harmonious whole. The prophecies, written sometimes hundreds of years in advance, fulfilled with unerring accuracy. The application of its wisdom, in life, to the betterment of the adherent. The fact that it transcends every political creed and national barrier and is able to unite people. The messianic prophecies pointing to the coming of the Christ, hundreds of which were fulfilled. its own claim that it was inspired of God, is itself thus not easy to refute and its only of recent times that the biblical integrity has been called into question and on insufficient grounds, thus we are subject to the same incredible dogma and postulation which marks the meanest of religions, science is the new God, all hail science, it answers everything!
Science does not explain why we are here, it does not touch where
everything comes from, you are comparing apples and oranges when
you talk about this. All science talks about is process, it only talks
about process, it does not touch where everything came from or why!
With respect to scripture accept it or reject it, I'm not quite sure what
you want ...[text shortened]... r on
the nature of these I doubt anything shown to you will matter one way
or another.
Kelly
19 Sep 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGreat post. If one were to study just the propheys in the Bible and nothing else, one would see that every prophecy that was fortold to happen before today, has happened just as the Bible said. The only ones that haven't yet, are because the time has not yet come. One example is Armageddon.
there are various 'proofs', for exmaple the Bibles internal integrity, written over a period of 1500 years, it contains a harmonious whole. The prophecies, written sometimes hundreds of years in advance, fulfilled with unerring accuracy. The application of its wisdom, in life, to the betterment of the adherent. The fact that it transcends every po ...[text shortened]... rks the meanest of religions, science is the new God, all hail science, it answers everything!
Hey Robbie, got my new avatar up..You like?
19 Sep 09
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Originally posted by galveston75Oh, there are many prophecies that didn't turn out to happen.
Great post. If one were to study just the propheys in the Bible and nothing else, one would see that every prophecy that was fortold to happen before today, has happened just as the Bible said.
Just an example from 2 Samuel, chapter 7, verses 13-16:
God says that Solomon's kingdom will last forever. It didn't of course. It was entirely destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt.
Christians I've presented this and other false prophecies tells me, a prophecy is only aa prophecy turn out to be correct, or not happened yet. So of course a prophecy, according to them, are always true prophecies, because if they are not true, they are not prophecies at all. A very circular reasoning. But that's them. I'm sure our friends here at RHP has a better explanation fo the example above.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasDo you really want the answer to that or will you not aknowledge the answer as usual? Let me know...
Oh, there are many prophecies that didn't turn out to happen.
Just an example from 2 Samuel, chapter 7, verses 13-16:
God says that Solomon's kingdom will last forever. It didn't of course. It was entirely destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt.
Christians I've presented this and other false prophecies tells me, a prop ...[text shortened]... t's them. I'm sure our friends here at RHP has a better explanation fo the example above.
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by 667joeWhy do you think "Biblical Authority" is a question of "proof" rather than "incentive"?
Could someone explain why the bible is accepted as the ultimate word of truth when there is no proof it is the word of god or even that there is a god? Also for the sake of argument, let's say there are 100 religions in the world. Inevitably the believer is positive his is correct and the other 99 are wrong. That is to say the atheist and the believer ag ...[text shortened]... ch can not be absolutely proven is not a sign of wisdom but rather a sign of wishful thinking?