Originally posted by RJHindsJesus is no longer flesh and blood so he is no longer a man.
Haven't you heard that all things are possible with God?
Anyway, none of this proves that Jesus, as the Son of God, is not God in His
nature. Remember, He was the "only begotten" Son of God the Father. So
like Father, like Son. All other sons of God, that God adopted as sons, were
created by the "only begotten" Son of God. I know the usual response ...[text shortened]... rk. Jesus is both God and man.
I hope I can help you understand that, for I mean no harm.
Originally posted by galveston75All mammals have flesh and blood, but that does not make them human.
Jesus is no longer flesh and blood so he is no longer a man.
But Jesus rose bodily from the grave and when he appeared to the eleven
disciples, Luke records in Luke 24: 37-39...
But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a
spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts
arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch
Me and see, for spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
Jesus refers to His second coming as coming as a Man in the clouds
immediately after the great tribulation. (Matthew 24:30 NASB)
Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:5-6, "For there is one God, and one mediator
also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,..."
Jesus must still be a man to be the mediator between God and man,
otherwise we have no mediator.
So where in scripture does it say Jesus is no longer a man? He is both
man and God.
Originally posted by RJHindsLol...Om my. It never ends.
All mammals have flesh and blood, but that does not make them human.
But Jesus rose bodily from the grave and when he appeared to the eleven
disciples, Luke records in Luke 24: 37-39...
But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a
spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts
arise in your hearts? ...[text shortened]... or.
So where in scripture does it say Jesus is no longer a man? He is both
man and God.
I can't believe I even have to ask this, but if he is a man and in heaven or space where there is no atmosphere, how can he possibly be a man with flesh and blood that needs oxygen to breath?
I can't wait for this explination!!!!
Where do you guys get this stuff and how does common sense get lost here?
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Originally posted by galveston75Read Luke 24:39 again, which I quote in an earlier post on this thread.
Lol...Om my. It never ends.
I can't believe I even have to ask this, but if he is a man and in heaven or space where there is no atmosphere, how can he possibly be a man with flesh and blood that needs oxygen to breath?
I can't wait for this explination!!!!
Where do you guys get this stuff and how does common sense get lost here?
Remember Jesus shed His bood for us. It is His blood that cleanses us from
all sins. He has flesh and bones, but no blood and does not need oxygen
to breath, but he has not lost His manhood or his Godhood. How else
can you explain Him coming again after the great tribulation as the
Son of Man if He is not man?
Originally posted by galveston75How do you know what is in heaven? Or where it actually is? Or what is needed to sustain life there? However you forget God is the one who makes and creates life so in his presence there is life. Jesus is the life and light and He said what He said Come touch my hands and feet and He also says a spirit does not have flesh. God and Man in the person of Christ this is the marvel that is so cool. The Marvel which you try and deny. However who is perfectly sinless? ANSWER: God. Was Christ perfectly sinless? ANSWER: Yes in order to fulfill God's perfect law the sacrifice had to be sinless. How can this be? Because Christ is God (The Son yes) But God sent himself as the perfect Lamb!! God said I swear by myself and that He would provide the Lamb. I know it's hard to shed years of Dogma but this is the truth. You can't have God the father unless you bow to God the son. He Christ is the Gate!! He says Come and He knocks at the door to eat with you but you must believe it.
Lol...Om my. It never ends.
I can't believe I even have to ask this, but if he is a man and in heaven or space where there is no atmosphere, how can he possibly be a man with flesh and blood that needs oxygen to breath?
I can't wait for this explination!!!!
Where do you guys get this stuff and how does common sense get lost here?
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Originally posted by KunsooThe structure that Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate entities that all express the same thing is called the Trinity. The structure that Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same entity is called Triune.
I'm not talking about the authority conveyed as is the subject of the other thread. I'm referencing the doctrine that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all one entity. Is there anything in the Bible which is explicit on the subject?
Regardless, there is no real biblical basis for either structure, because the Bible does not put forward a label as such. As a result, it is strictly interpretive.
Originally posted by BadwaterYou are almost as ignorant of the truth as the JW's. You need to do
The structure that Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate entities that all express the same thing is called the Trinity. The structure that Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same entity is called Triune.
Regardless, there is no real biblical basis for either structure, because the Bible does not put forward a label as such. As a result, it is strictly interpretive.
more careful reading of the Holy Bible before you make such statements.
The Holy Bible was not originally written in Latin, so you will not have the
"rapture" or the "Trinity" there, but the ideas are there for both terms.
So if you used the term "Godhead", which is in the Holy Bible, instead of
"Trinity" would it make any difference? No one has come up with a better
interpretation, so we are stuck with the best we have if we want to believe,
otherwise, our belief is no better than the atheist.
Originally posted by RJHindsWhy do you feel that the Bible needs to be interpreted into anything it's not saying? The Bible is complete and nothing is to be added. A realy bad mistake to do that as you will someday see.
You are almost as ignorant of the truth as the JW's. You need to do
more careful reading of the Holy Bible before you make such statements.
The Holy Bible was not originally written in Latin, so you will not have the
"rapture" or the "Trinity" there, but the ideas are there for both terms.
So if you used the term "Godhead", which is in the Holy Bible, i ...[text shortened]... st we have if we want to believe,
otherwise, our belief is no better than the atheist.
Do you honestly think that Satan is not capable in influancing some of the men who interpret the Bible in the past and even today into thoughts that are not true and not with agendes that are not true? Be honest here....
Originally posted by menace71Does not the Bible say he is sitting at the right hand of God? If that scripture is wrong where do you think he is?
How do you know what is in heaven? Or where it actually is? Or what is needed to sustain life there? However you forget God is the one who makes and creates life so in his presence there is life. Jesus is the life and light and He said what He said Come touch my hands and feet and He also says a spirit does not have flesh. God and Man in the person of Chris ...[text shortened]... te!! He says Come and He knocks at the door to eat with you but you must believe it.
Manny
Originally posted by RJHindsWow. Does not bone and flesh need blood to survive? Does not a man need life sustaining food, water, air to breath?
Read Luke 24:39 again, which I quote in an earlier post on this thread.
Remember Jesus shed His bood for us. It is His blood that cleanses us from
all sins. He has flesh and bones, but no blood and does not need oxygen
to breath, but he has not lost His manhood or his Godhood. How else
can you explain Him coming again after the great tribulation as the
Son of Man if He is not man?
This is really not this confusuing is it?
The bible clearly explains he is a spirit and is sitting at the right hand of his Father, Jehovah, and will never see coruption again in the sense that he will never be flesh again and be exposed to the threat of being killed again. Read your Bible sir...
Originally posted by galveston75Yes, I would say that is a big possiblity for the Jehovah's Witnesses NWT.
Why do you feel that the Bible needs to be interpreted into anything it's not saying? The Bible is complete and nothing is to be added. A realy bad mistake to do that as you will someday see.
Do you honestly think that Satan is not capable in influancing some of the men who interpret the Bible in the past and even today into thoughts that are not true and not with agendes that are not true? Be honest here....
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Originally posted by galveston75If your NWT says all that, it must be influenced by Satan. This appears to
Wow. Does not bone and flesh need blood to survive? Does not a man need life sustaining food, water, air to breath?
This is really not this confusuing is it?
The bible clearly explains he is a spirit and is sitting at the right hand of his Father, Jehovah, and will never see coruption again in the sense that he will never be flesh again and be exposed to the threat of being killed again. Read your Bible sir...
be an ant-christ teaching.
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not
acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver
and the anti-christ. (2 John 7 NASB)
Don't forget the verse I quoted earlier where Jesus says that He would be
coming immediately after the great tribulaion as the Son of MAN. And
after His resurrection He had FLESH and BONES.
Originally posted by RJHindsStop avoiding my questions or can't you answer them?
If your NWT says all that, it must be influenced by Satan. This appears to
be an ant-christ teaching.
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not
acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver
and the anti-christ. (2 John 7 NASB)
Don't forget the verse I quoted earlier where Jesus says that He would be ...[text shortened]... the great tribulaion as the Son of MAN. And
after His resurrection He had FLESH and BONES.
