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Biblical basis for the Trinity?

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't have the NWT anymore, so how does the new edition translate
John 20:28 and Philippians 1:8.
I have a copy. One of these days I'll get around to proving to our JW friends, from their own Bible, that Jesus is God.

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New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Philippians 2:6
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Philippians 2:6
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
6Christ was truly God.

But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Philippians 2:6
King James Version (KJV)
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Philippians 2:6
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

Philippians 2:6
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
6who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,

Philippians 2:6
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Philippians 2:6
English Standard Version (ESV)
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

NWT (To Be fair)
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/php/chapter_002.htm
6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

(More to put this in context) Taken from www.biblegateway.com

in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Manny

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall
worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.'" (Matthew 4:10 NASB)
Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name
which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee
should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the
earth, and that ...[text shortened]... The Lord your God.

After the resurrection, Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"
Beautiful and eloquently put 🙂

Every knee shall bow and some out of pure joy and worship and others because they must!!!


Manny

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Originally posted by menace71
Beautiful and eloquently put 🙂

Every knee shall bow and some out of pure joy and worship and others because they must!!!


Manny
pity you frauds forgot to mention the latter part, 'to the Glory of the father', is there no level that you will not stoop to in order to perpetuate your lies?

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Originally posted by menace71
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Philippians 2:6
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Philippians 2:6
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
6Christ was truly God.

But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Philippians 2:6
King James Version (KJV)
6Who, being in the form of He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Manny
i am capable of looking up alternative renderings for myself, but then again i am also capable of looking up a Greek interlinear, the fact of the matter is, Christ gave no consideration to the idea that he should be equal with God, despite your lies and attempts to make him so. Paul states that the head of the father is the Christ, what slippery reasoning will you invent to negate this? after Christ's resurrection, who does he subject himself to? himself? what a fraud. Tell the forum how its possible to be with someone and be them at the same time. Let's hear you say it, how is it possible?

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it wasn't the first part of the verse that i was referencing, but the latter part, thank you for fulfilling it, in detail.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
look at this, you asked manny to look at a few links, not to do with watchtower.org, 'its propaganda', 'i wont look at it'. I ask divesgeester to look up a single verse on a Hebrew online interlinear, 'what is there to discuss'. What's with that? Perhaps you and I are too used to this type of study and research, to actually try to get an understanding of the verse from the original languages. who can say?
How come you don't follow your own advice in our discussions on evolution?

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Originally posted by josephw
I have a copy. One of these days I'll get around to proving to our JW friends, from their own Bible, that Jesus is God.
They have probably changed everything in their NWT by now that indicates
Jesus is God, except for the title Son of God, but to them that only means
He is like another angel that was created by God the Father. So Jesus is
just a creature and not God at all. They can not distinguish His manhood
from His Godhood. So when you are speaking of His Godhood, they
reply with a quote concerning His manhood. To them all the quotes that
concern His manhood prove He is not God. They go out of there way to
justify the addition of the article "a" before "God" in John 1:1 where there
is no article and none is called for from the context, as the experts in the
Greek language have pointed out. They qoute only that portion of any
recognized authority that seem to imply their translation is correct and
omit the rest of his analysis. The "bullheadedness" of the thoroughly
indoctrinated JW prevents any reasonable dialog because of their continued
use of circular reasoning to defend their position. It is possible to get
through to some of the ones that are very early into their indoctrination,
but it will take God's help to get through to the rest. I wish you well my
friend.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i am capable of looking up alternative renderings for myself, but then again i am also capable of looking up a Greek interlinear, the fact of the matter is, Christ gave no consideration to the idea that he should be equal with God, despite your lies and attempts to make him so. Paul states that the head of the father is the Christ, what slippery rea ...[text shortened]... e to be with someone and be them at the same time. Let's hear you say it, how is it possible?
Haven't you heard that all things are possible with God?
Anyway, none of this proves that Jesus, as the Son of God, is not God in His
nature. Remember, He was the "only begotten" Son of God the Father. So
like Father, like Son. All other sons of God, that God adopted as sons, were
created by the "only begotten" Son of God. I know the usual response is to
come back with something referring to Jesus's manhood and his feebleness
as the son of man to counter any statement that indicates His Godhood and
the circle continues. You know the reason the Word was made flesh as John
points out. Sure, Father God is the head and Christ is the body that did all
the work. Now, since Christ is no longer on earth, the church has become
the body of Christ and must do all the work. Jesus is both God and man.
I hope I can help you understand that, for I mean no harm.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
How come you don't follow your own advice in our discussions on evolution?
zing!

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i am capable of looking up alternative renderings for myself, but then again i am also capable of looking up a Greek interlinear, the fact of the matter is, Christ gave no consideration to the idea that he should be equal with God, despite your lies and attempts to make him so. Paul states that the head of the father is the Christ, what slippery rea e to be with someone and be them at the same time. Let's hear you say it, how is it possible?
Nasty nasty you are lately anyway I will paraphrase for you Though being equal with God Jesus did not consider flexing His muscle or power to prove that He is equal with God.

Equal being the same basically or positionally


Manny

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Originally posted by FMF
[b]zing![/b]
Looks like he's choosing to ignore that question?

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Haven't you heard that all things are possible with God?
Anyway, none of this proves that Jesus, as the Son of God, is not God in His
nature. Remember, He was the "only begotten" Son of God the Father. So
like Father, like Son. All other sons of God, that God adopted as sons, were
created by the "only begotten" Son of God. I know the usual response ...[text shortened]... rk. Jesus is both God and man.
I hope I can help you understand that, for I mean no harm.
Answer this question....Why are the words "Father and Son" used in the Bible including YOURS and why isn't the holy spirit ever called the father or the son?
Please give a well thought thru answer!!!