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Originally posted by karoly aczel
I don't get it.
Isn't faith for those aren't 100% sure?
If they were sure then they wouldn't need faith (?)
No, no, no.

As I just said to KJ, faith is why we are 100% sure.

Faith isn't some artificial "crutch" for those who aren't "sure".

It is the reason why we are sure.

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Two people is in a faulty airplane. They have to jump in order to avoid to die in the crash.
One jumps with a parachute.
One jumps with prayers.
Who will survive safely to the ground? Who has the faith? On what?

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Two people is in a faulty airplane. They have to jump in order to avoid to die in the crash.
One jumps with a parachute.
One jumps with prayers.
Who will survive safely to the ground? Who has the faith? On what?
Fear not the one that can destroy the body, fear the one that can destroy the body and soul.

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Originally posted by Eladar
Fear not the one that can destroy the body, fear the one that can destroy the body and soul.
Sacrificing the body but save the soul?
I would take the parachute, the other one can pray. That's what I would choose.
I have faith in the parachute.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Sacrificing the body but save the soul?
I would take the parachute, the other one can pray. That's what I would choose.
I have faith in the parachute.
You miss the point, not surprising.

Perhaps you could answer this question, why would the person who prays not use a parachute? Is it because there is only one so out of self sacrifice allowing the other to use it?

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Originally posted by Eladar
You miss the point, not surprising.

Perhaps you could answer this question, why would the person who prays not use a parachute? Is it because there is only one so out of self sacrifice allowing the other to use it?
One survives. One dies. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
One survives. One dies. Simple as that.
You present a false dichotomy to fit your limited worldview.

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Originally posted by Eladar
You present a false dichotomy to fit your limited worldview.
...you say with no explanation at all.

Only one can land safely on the ground. He with the parachute.
How will the other one survive, sound and safe, would you say?

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Originally posted by Suzianne
I would say yes. But the order is wrong. One is 100% sure because of their faith.

As the man said, all you need is the faith of the mustard seed.
I stand corrected

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Originally posted by Eladar
You present a false dichotomy to fit your limited worldview.
You present diatribe to fit your limited intelligence.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You present diatribe to fit your limited intelligence.
All you have is personal attack?

Say it isn't so.

Perhaps you can explain why both could not use parachutes.

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Originally posted by Eladar
All you have is personal attack?

Say it isn't so.

Perhaps you can explain why both could not use parachutes.
You miss the point of the anecdote. 'One jumps with a parachute. One jumps with prayers'.

Of course both could have used parachutes, but that's not what has occurred. One has trusted themselves to God and one has trusted themselves to mans ingenuity.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You miss the point of the anecdote. 'One jumps with a parachute. One jumps with prayers'.

Of course both could have used parachutes, but that's not what has occurred. One has trusted themselves to God and one has trusted themselves to mans ingenuity.
I thought he meant that one without parachute will live forever among the Virgins of the Paradise. The other one will land safely and, eh, just live. Who will be happier?

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
I thought he meant that one without parachute will live forever among the Virgins of the Paradise. The other one will land safely and, eh, just live. Who will be happier?
I jumped using a parachute, but unfortunately sir I landed on your car.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You miss the point of the anecdote. 'One jumps with a parachute. One jumps with prayers'.

Of course both could have used parachutes, but that's not what has occurred. One has trusted themselves to God and one has trusted themselves to mans ingenuity.
When did this occur? In a bigot's mind?


Even though his bigotry is in line with your own, it is still bigotry.