Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre the views expressed by Dr Américo Valério in the 1961 article regarding the "moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes" part of the 'dangers of blood transfusions'?
No its one of the reasons that bloodless surgery was developed.
Originally posted by Proper KnobThis thread is not about blood transfusions, what its actually about is bloodless surgery and alternatives to blood transfusion. I look forward to you sharing any insights you have on that exciting field of medical science.
Are the views expressed by Dr Américo Valério in the 1961 article regarding the "moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes" part of the 'dangers of blood transfusions'?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow can it be about alternatives to blood transfusion without discussing whether or not blood transfusions are better than the alternatives in certain circumstances?
This thread is not about blood transfusions, what its actually about is bloodless surgery and alternatives to blood transfusion. I look forward to you sharing any insights you have on that exciting field of medical science.
This is the spirituality forum, so surely it is about the morality of blood transfusions and the alternatives, such as bloodless surgery?
Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeIf you have any insights on bloodless surgery and alternatives to blood transfusions I look forward to hearing them.
How can it be about alternatives to blood transfusion without discussing whether or not blood transfusions are better than the alternatives in certain circumstances?
This is the spirituality forum, so surely it is about the morality of blood transfusions and the alternatives, such as bloodless surgery?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm not sure what is more disurbing, that you think you are 'preaching science' or that you think you have just typed a 'classic'?! 😞
Haha Robbie preaching science to Proper Atheist - classic.😵
I understand why you don't want to answer my question though Robert, quite frankly the quotes in that Watchtower article are laughably embarrassing. I'd be trying my hardest to distance myself from them also.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI have no problem with the quotation. Here is the paragraph in full not some abbreviated version taken out of context and lifted from some hate site that you fail to mention.
I'm not sure what is more disurbing, that you think you are 'preaching science' or that you think you have just typed a 'classic'?! 😞
I understand why you don't want to answer my question though Robert, quite frankly the quotes in that Watchtower article are laughably embarrassing. I'd be trying my hardest to distance myself from them also.
The point is an interesting one, and that it may apply in the matter of blood transfusions is testified to by medical doctors. For example, in his book Who Is Your Doctor and Why? Doctor Alonzo Jay Shadman says: “The blood in any person is in reality the person himself. It contains all the peculiarities of the individual from whence it comes. This includes hereditary taints, disease susceptibilities, poisons due to personal living, eating and drinking habits. . . . The poisons that produce the impulse to commit suicide, murder, or steal are in the blood.” And Dr. Américo Valério, Brazilian doctor and surgeon for over forty years, agrees. “Moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes—these often follow in the wake of blood transfusion,” he says. Yet it is acknowledged in the public press that organizations whose blood supply is considered reliable obtain blood for transfusion from criminals who are known to have such characteristics - Watchtower Magazine, 1961
These Doctors were merely expressing their perspective at the time based on what they knew and the Watchtower magazine was absolutely correct to use their expertise at the time. That their findings and conclusions may be a matter of conjecture as medical science has advanced is not the fault of the Watchtower magazine or its publishers, medical science is evolving all the time. The fact of the matter is that blood does carry traits from donor to the recipient, this is a demonstrable scientific fact.
Here is a case where medical science has advanced to such a degree that complicated operations like lung transplants and heart bypass operations can be done with less cost, more safety resulting in a quicker recovery rate and the only thing you have to say about it is to cite some archaic line from some old Watchtower that quoted a doctor in 1961. You are like some old house wife telling tales about what her neighbor did in 1955. Get a grip and don't waste my time with your petty griping about irrelevancies, this thread is not for your petty griping its to discuss bloodless surgery and alternatives to blood transfusion something that you seem absolutely unwilling to do and you an alleged man of Science. The shame of it. I apologize to all men of science for this outrage to our fraternity.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you believe that blood carries traits such as moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, and petty crimes from donor to recipient?
The fact of the matter is that blood does carry traits from donor to the recipient, this is a demonstrable scientific fact.
Originally posted by FMFBelief has nothing to do with it. I am interested in science not conjecture. If there is scientific data then let it be heard, if not then this statement remains a matter of conjecture and speculation is quite useless and fruitless.
Do you believe that blood carries traits such as moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, and petty crimes from donor to recipient?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAdvances in medicine like bloodless surgery are to be welcomed of course.
Here is a case where medical science has advanced to such a degree that complicated operations like lung transplants and heart bypass operations can be done with less cost, more safety resulting in a quicker recovery rate and the only thing you have to say about it is to cite some archaic line from some old Watchtower that quoted a doctor in 1961.
The point about the superstitious stuff propagated by The Watchtower is not related to bloodless surgery, but instead to the track record ~ on the issue of blood and blood transfusions ~ of your publication.
You should remember that galvestion75 has declared - on this forum - that the writers of The Watchtower are inspired in the same way as the writers of the Gospels were inspired.
Therefore, I am not sure that the fact that the nonsense about "moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes" was published in such and such a year is either here or there ~ and it certainly isn't if what galveston75 claims about the divine inspiration behind The Watchtower is true.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre the assertions that were published in The Watchtower ~ about blood carrying traits such as moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, and petty crimes from donor to recipient ~ based on good science?
Belief has nothing to do with it. I am interested in science not conjecture. If there is scientific data then let it be heard, if not then this statement remains a matter of conjecture and speculation is quite useless and fruitless.
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Originally posted by FMFSpare me I am not interested in your petty squabbling, knit picking, casting up of what other people have said elsewhere, I am interested in science. If you have anything other than this repeated insipid platitude of, 'bloodless surgery is to be welcomed', that you keep rolling out, then please provide it and ill be happy to discuss it otherwise your posts hold no interest on the subject, except of course to the like minded Real housewives of the spirituality forum divesjeester and proper knob.
Advances in medicine like bloodless surgery are to be welcomed of course.
The point about the superstitious stuff propagated by The Watchtower is not related to bloodless surgery, but instead to the track record ~ on the issue of blood and blood transfusions ~ of your publication.
You should remember that galvestion75 has declared - on this forum - that ...[text shortened]... nly isn't if what galveston75 claims about the divine inspiration behind The Watchtower is true.