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Originally posted by FMFWhat they are based on I have no idea, i attempted to ascertain the data from Proper Knob when he first quoted it but he could not provide it. Please stop asking me stupid questions.
Are the assertions that were published in The Watchtower ~ about blood carrying traits such as moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, and petty crimes from donor to recipient ~ based on good science?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDiscussing blood surgery as a new medical technology belongs on another forum. How your interest in blood surgery fits into a belief system about blood, and purported divinely inspired instructions regarding blood and blood transfusions, is the only discourse [relevant to the OP] that belongs on this Spirituality Forum.
spare me I am not interested in your petty squabbling, knit picking, casting up of what other people have said elsewhere, I am interested in science. If you have anything other than this repeated insipid platitude of, 'bloodless surgery is to be welcomed', that you keep rolling out, then please provide it and ill be happy to discuss it otherwise you ...[text shortened]... course to the like minded real housewives of the spirituality forum divesgeeaser and proper knob
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's your organisation's and The Watchtower's claim, not Proper Knob's.
What they are based on I have no idea, i attempted to ascertain the data from Proper Knob when he first quoted it but he could not provide it. Please stop asking me stupid questions.
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Originally posted by FMFTime for another case study.
Discussing blood surgery as a new medical technology belongs on another forum. How your interest in blood surgery fits into a belief system about blood, and purported divinely inspired instructions regarding blood and blood transfusions, is the only discourse [relevant to the OP] that belongs on this Spirituality Forum.
A 64 year old female Jehovah’s Witness patient presented with abdominal fullness and both right and left sided lower quadrant pain. A CT scan revealed a left sided hepatic mass that was 5 X 4 X 3 cm in size. Dr. Tim Pawlik, one of our most experienced hepatobiliary surgeons, was comfortable scheduling her for a left hepatectomy as he believed he could remove the tumor without excessive bleeding. The case involved doing a left hepatectomy and the pathology report confirmed a moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma most consistent with intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma. The estimated blood loss was only 50 mLs. The tumor margins were negative. Her hemoglobin levels before and after surgery were 13.1 and 12.5 g/dL, respectively. Two weeks later she was walking and eating normally with a good appetite and no weight loss.
One of the methods used to achieve blood conservation is a relatively new method of electrocautery called a radiofrequency bipolar hemostatic sealer. This new device uses saline irrigation combined with bipolar (as opposed to unipolar) cautery, which seals blood vessels to stop bleeding. Traditional unipolar cautery burns blood vessels at a much higher temperature (up to 400 °C), whereas this new cautery seals them using a lower temperature (100 °C), achieved by the saline irrigation.
Our group at Johns Hopkins has shown that this type of cautery is associated with a 50-60% decrease in both overall bleeding and transfusion requirements. We published these findings in theJournal of Orthopaedic Surgical Research, 2014 Jul 5;9(1):50. Although the study we published was performed in orthopedic spine surgery patients, based on the knowledge we gained from this study, we now use this cautery method for Jehovah’s Witness patients whenever possible to reduce blood loss. In the case described above, we were able to perform what is typically a high-blood loss procedure with minimal bleeding.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/bloodless_medicine_surgery/case_studies/hepatobiliary_surgery.html
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe last time I checked I don't think Wikipedia was a 'hate site', maybe it is in though in your wacky world. After all, you and Galveston75 do have a penchant for labelling those who disagree with you as 'haters'.
I have no problem with the quotation. Here is the paragraph in full not some abbreviated version taken out of context and lifted from some hate site that you fail to mention.
The point is an interesting one, and that it may apply in the matter of blood transfusions is testified to by medical doctors. For example, in his book Who Is Your Doctor and ...[text shortened]... cience. The shame of it. I apologize to all men of science for this outrage to our fraternity.
As for my original question which I asked pages and pages ago, we finally got an answer. Thanks Robert, why you couldn't address it when I asked only you will know.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobThen perhaps it might be better to list your sources. Now if you have any insights to offer on the wonderful advancements of medical science then I would love to hear them - your fan Robbie.
The last time I checked I don't think Wikipedia was a 'hate site', maybe it is in though in your wacky world. After all, you and Galveston75 do have a penchant for labelling those who disagree with you as 'haters'.
As for my original question which I asked pages and pages ago, we finally got an answer. Thanks Robert, why you couldn't address it when I asked only you will know.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf course advancements in medical science are to be welcomed, surely that goes without saying? You'd be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think that. Why though you think this rather self explanatory point needs to be laboured upon, only you will know.
Then perhaps it might be better to list your sources. Now if you have any insights to offer on the wonderful advancements of medical science then I would love to hear them - your fan Robbie.
Also, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, this is not the science forum. Sciency topics are to be discussed a couple of doors down from this one.
Originally posted by Proper KnobIt is an instance where a religious stance has directly influenced medical science and it deserves to be discussed here in the spirituality forum.
Of course advancements in medical science are to be welcomed, surely that goes without saying? You'd be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think that. Why though you think this rather self explanatory point needs to be laboured upon, only you will know.
Also, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, this is not the science forum. Sciency topics are to be discussed a couple of doors down from this one.
It needs to be laboured upon because you Real Housewives of RHP spirituality forum need to be reeled in and made to discuss the topic of the OP.
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-Removed-Ive given you enough wedgies and hung you up by your underpants to last a lifetime, infact in this very thread having been called out for your now infamous question of 'are you suggesting that the army thinks that blood carries the sins of the donors', and you were left resembling the well spanked bottom that you evidently purport to be.
Here is a wonderful topic in which a religious stance has been directly responsible for advancement in medical science and all you have to contribute to the subject is, 'Underpants far enough down yet', Thank you we can always rely on you to reduce everything down to a tabloid level. Its the kind of drivel we have come to expect from the spirituality forums Realhousewife of RHP, Gossiping Jeesteršµ
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs this 'Real Housewives of RHP' schtick of yours some sort of new edgy banter?
It is an instance where a religious stance has directly influenced medical science and it deserves to be discussed here in the spirituality forum.
It needs to be laboured upon because you Real Housewives of RHP spirituality forum need to be reeled in and made to discuss the topic of the OP.