Originally posted by galveston75" Accepting a blood transfusion is ones own decision"
Sure they have. I've never said they didn't save life's. ( But that statement does not imply that I would ever approve of one. )
Accepting a blood transfusion is ones own decision. But it's also one that could cause dire health issues that could affect their life for sometime afterwards or possibly forever or It could even mean their life if the compli ...[text shortened]... wanting to learn as well as hospitals is an option that one can hopefully take to continue life.
as long as one is an adult. i would allow such a decision if one is also allowed to choose to be euthanized.
if however one is a child, he/she cannot make that decision for themselves and because it is life threatening, neither can the child's legal guardian make that decision on its behalf.
doctors, being experts on medical issues, should be allowed to make these decisions without consulting the parents and regardless of the wishes of said superstitious and practically criminal parents
You know what my belief is.
There are no secret messages or meanings behind my posting of this video. But since so many here make blood transfusions such a controversial issue over the years with JW's, JW's don't have issues or confusion on this as the bible is clear on God's view of the use of blood, I posted this to show and to only show there are alternatives to taking blood transfusions. This is for all to see, read, do research and come to their own conclusion if this is something they may decide to take advantage of if faced with a blood transfusion issue.
As the bible says in Acts that if "one abstains from blood, good health to you"!
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Originally posted by Green PaladinYes I am sure the hundreds of thousands of persons (possibly millions) who have died as a direct result of intravenous blood transfusion would concur. Medicine needs to move on from the dark ages.
I'm glad there is more research being done into this type of surgery. Hopefully the lives of some JWs and their children will be spared as a result.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust watched the video. Sounds like a good thing!
Yes I am sure the hundreds of thousands of persons (possibly millions) who have died as a direct result of intravenous blood transfusion would concur. Medicine needs to move on from the dark ages.
I'm not sure how it would work for unplanned surgery, though. If you arrive at the hospital already having lost blood (which I'd imagine would be the case for most battlefield situations) then using your own blood won't replace the amount lost. Transfusion will still be needed.
-Removed-Let me say this to you. First I hope your family never has to go thru any situation where there is blood involved. If there is and the option is available to you to use this bloodless procedure which is much safer then using human blood and it all works out to a good end, I hope for good health and life for your family.
Now this I will say and only say it once. I posted this video for all to see including you and I hope it will educate and help anyone including you and others who see this. But this is my only communication to you on this and any other subjects that come up here on this forum. We are too far apart on many subjects and too far apart on how we view the bible and as a result of that our conversations have never worked and I will not let myself be drawn into your opinions and questions. History has proved that you never accept my answers, so in order for me to enjoy this forum and to hopefully have "decent" conversations with others, I will not respond to you no matter how many times you keep posting comments to me. I hope this will save you time and energy and respect my viewpoint on this and not waist your time on pushing me respond to you.
So now lets see how long it takes you to ask me to respond???? Good day.....
Originally posted by Green PaladinI believe it will help for millions. Here is a link to help understand about volume expanders: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989215?q=blood+substitutes&p=par
Just watched the video. Sounds like a good thing!
I'm not sure how it would work for unplanned surgery, though. If you arrive at the hospital already having lost blood (which I'd imagine would be the case for most battlefield situations) then using your own blood won't replace the amount lost. Transfusion will still be needed.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAgain, unwilling or unable, I can't work it out?
This thread is about bloodless surgery and alternatives to blood transfusion. If you have any comments to make on the actual subject I'll be happy to discuss those. All irrelevance should and will be ignored. If you are unable to stick to the topic of the thread or conduct yourself with even a modicum of forum etiquette then you should not be give ...[text shortened]... cided that the question is irrelevant to the topic and will be ignored.
Let the hounds howl.
This thread was created by a Jehovahs Witness, posting a YouTube video created by a Jehovahs Witness about a medical procedure which you have said was, and I quote, 'pioneered in response to Jehovahs Witnesses a religious group who were applying a religious principle.'. Asking you to comment on a quote from Jehovahs Witness literature pertaining to blood transfusions, which the OP said is what is being discussed, can hardly be called an 'irrelevance'.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHave blood transfusions prevented more deaths than they have caused?
Yes I am sure the hundreds of thousands of persons (possibly millions) who have died as a direct result of intravenous blood transfusion would concur. Medicine needs to move on from the dark ages.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobIf you wish to discuss bloodless surgery and its benefits, be my guest. If not then there is nothing more to say.
Again, unwilling or unable, I can't work it out?
This thread was created by a Jehovahs Witness, posting a YouTube video created by a Jehovahs Witness about a medical procedure which you have said was, and I quote, 'pioneered in response to Jehovahs Witnesses a religious group who were applying a religious principle.'. Asking you to comment on a quote ...[text shortened]... ansfusions, which the OP said is what is being discussed, can hardly be called an 'irrelevance'.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLogical fallacy.
Well we have to conflicting statements, one in which you said your comments were not about the content of the video and one where you stated that it was made with reference to the content of the video, specifically the army. So either you are lying or you don't know what you are saying. If there is a third possibility be sure to let me know althoug ...[text shortened]... FMF and simply be yourself you wouldn't get caught taking cheap shots at other peoples religion.
He can make a connection with the army without making a connection to the video.
Unless you are claiming that the army and/or evidence of the army teaching their surgeons bloodless surgery only exists in the video?