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18 Oct 12
Originally posted by LemonJelloI can't thank you enough for your reply. I think there is nothing I can add.
[b]What about the act of omnipotent X limiting (in some way) X's own omnipotence, such that, in the specified way, X's ability to act is limited; X lacks full potency in that way? Is this impossible?
The question can have two versions. (1) Can X limit X's potency "for the time being" or conditionally, such that X can cancel the limitation or state a co ...[text shortened]... ch opinion on this, except that sure seems like a tough row to hoe.
19 Oct 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitIf that is logically possible, then I am sure we will be able to do it given some time and the will, in fact I have already started to scribble down some design's for the boots on the back of a postage stamp.
Some of them, yes. Like jumping to another planet from ours.
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19 Oct 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57It is logically possible for you to jump to another planet right now.
If that is logically possible, then I am sure we will be able to do it given some time and the will, in fact I have already started to scribble down some design's for the boots on the back of a postage stamp.
[pedantic mode] It's not nomologically possible, i.e. it would violate the (so-called) laws of nature, those relating gravity to the physiological laws that determine the maximum thrust you (you, here, now) can generate by jumping,
But it is logically possible for the universe to have different laws.
That's how "logically possible" works. [/pedantic mode]
20 Oct 12
Originally posted by JS357Since it all came about in the BB, atoms here are exactly the same as ones 10 billion light years away, it is not logical to assume laws are different there than here.
It is logically possible for you to jump to another planet right now.
[pedantic mode] It's not nomologically possible, i.e. it would violate the (so-called) laws of nature, those relating gravity to the physiological laws that determine the maximum thrust you (you, here, now) can generate by jumping,
But it is logically possible for the universe to have different laws.
That's how "logically possible" works. [/pedantic mode]
What IS logically possible is the many universe theory, in that theory, an entire universe might be born where the speed of light is slower than the speed of sound, if there was light in such a universe, but the idea is different universes may have different laws than in our universe. THAT can be logical.
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Originally posted by sonhouseI am pretty sure you and JS357 are in agreement on this, now if someone could tell me what nomological means.
Since it all came about in the BB, atoms here are exactly the same as ones 10 billion light years away, it is not logical to assume laws are different there than here.
What IS logically possible is the many universe theory, in that theory, an entire universe might be born where the speed of light is slower than the speed of sound, if there was light in s ...[text shortened]... e idea is different universes may have different laws than in our universe. THAT can be logical.
It's ok I googled it.
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21 Oct 12
Originally posted by LemonJelloActually most of them say yes, that he is in total control. Even if a person is killed in a car accident, they say God "took" them. The same can be said of any Christian that dies, in any instance.
[b]what I was looking for was the bigger question, "Is God in total control of every thing that happens?"
Most theist's say yes, to which I disagree...because then God gets blamed for every thing, good or bad...and the scripture is contradicted..
Hmmm, I was under the impression that most theists would say no to this "bigger question" of yours bec ...[text shortened]... e will (of a libertarian sort) that features into, for example, their attempts at theodicy.[/b]
They seem to distance themselves from the spiritual war going on around them. So Satan gets away with murder.
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Originally posted by kevcvs57You're confusing physically possible and logically possible.
My will is that you stop tying yourself in knots. explain how a homo sapien jumping of the planet is logically possible, in your own words.
It is neither logically possible, nor physically possible for homo-sapiens to simultaneously jump off the planet and be inside it.
It *is* logically possible
supposing, for example, a miracle occurs giving said homo-sapien magic fairy glitter leg power, imbuing him/her with the ability to leap distant planets in a single bound!
for homo-sapiens to jump off the planet, but not physically possiblemagic has no place in the physical universe
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Originally posted by AgergI offered to make the boots myself, are our intellect and tool making abilities not part of our innate physicality.
You're confusing physically possible and logically possible.
It is neither logically possible, nor physically possible for homo-sapiens to simultaneously jump off the planet and be inside it.
It *is* logically possible[hidden]supposing, for example, a miracle occurs giving said homo-sapien magic fairy glitter leg power, imbuing him/her with the ability to ...[text shortened]... lanet, but not physically possible[hidden]magic has no place in the physical universe[/hidden].