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Originally posted by vishvahetu🙄
You have a serious mental problem.
Originally posted by vishvahetuThere is a logical inconsistency in your argument about meat. 10,000 years ago, well into the modern brain period, that was about all humans ate. Obviously they ate fruit and berries and such that they could gather but animals like Bison and Buffalo provided more than meat, it provided winter coats, housing material for their tents and such, bones for fishing hooks, needles and the like. Even the bones were used to build housing. Yet they had fully modern brains, therefore subject to your laws of reincarnation. If meat eating was deemed an offence punishable by being reincarnated into a cow or elephant or buffalo, there would be no humans around to have risen out of that position.
Humans can digest meat so lets kill the animals.....dont think so.
You are bringing the topic down to a level of logical argument.
Its logical for this....so lets do that.
Its logical for that....so lets do this.
Anything to support error.
Its dishonesty.
Originally posted by sonhouse🙂 What a fun problem. If we look at the evolutionary chain, then it might appear that carnivores only thrive when they have plenty of prey, so logically they must come later. Assuming they have been produced through reincarnation, then some herbivores must be reincarnated as carnivores. By the same logic it is pretty hard to see how more than a tiny proportion of carnivores get reincarnated as herbivores: the numbers don't work.
There is a logical inconsistency in your argument about meat. 10,000 years ago, well into the modern brain period, that was about all humans ate. Obviously they ate fruit and berries and such that they could gather but animals like Bison and Buffalo provided more than meat, it provided winter coats, housing material for their tents and such, bones for fishi ...[text shortened]... incarnation downgrade offense. So your whining about meat eaters is being dishonest at the core.
Originally posted by sonhouseThere are cultures that have a heavy meat diet as you say, but there are many who do not.
There is a logical inconsistency in your argument about meat. 10,000 years ago, well into the modern brain period, that was about all humans ate. Obviously they ate fruit and berries and such that they could gather but animals like Bison and Buffalo provided more than meat, it provided winter coats, housing material for their tents and such, bones for fishi ...[text shortened]... incarnation downgrade offense. So your whining about meat eaters is being dishonest at the core.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI wonder what you mean when you incorporate the modern factory farming meat industry into your "culture?" Is it actually the case that traditional farming (up to recent times) had "no reverence" for its animals? Read James Herriott.
So I'm thinking: christians and others dont mind eating meat, but abhor smoking. (divegeester😉 )
Now I've already mentioned that I dont find a problem woth meat eating, as long as there is a connection.
"Thank you lord Shiva for the animal that gave its life for my meal"
In my way of thinking, you stop hurting others first, then you stop hurti ...[text shortened]... culture-with no reverence for the animals that were systematically slaughtered for my meal?
Originally posted by finneganPeople dont have much reverence for their neighbours.
I wonder what you mean when you incorporate the modern factory farming meat industry into your "culture?" Is it actually the case that traditional farming (up to recent times) had "no reverence" for its animals? Read James Herriott.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWhat's a bottle O? Is that like what we call the 'animal pound' here in the US? A place where animals are put to either be given to a family or to be put to death.
People dont have much reverence for their neighbours.
Just last night I saw the most beautiful , husky-like dog abandoned at the bottle-o.
I just wanted to take home right there and then....
I dont know mate, I just try to call a spade a spade, and if I dont know, I wont bulls**t you.
Originally posted by karoly aczelTry and understand this very important point....
I can agree loosely with your basic tenets,ie. the soul is immortal (pleas dont ask me what the soul is. it is the 'force of animation'. you dont need to know more), and that THE WAY in which we treat animals is wrong.
But many posters have queried you on these two points, so lets just plod through.
Oh and stop calling people "dishonest". Like FMF said, your are misusing that word.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI never used the word "abhor" and you are extrapolating a single comment (and a personal opinion of myself) about smoking to generalise about a global community of Christians, you should not do this. I do not (of course!) represent the majority of Christians and I'm sure my view of Christianity and especially the so called temporal Christian church would not sit well with the mainstream.
So I'm thinking: christians and others dont mind eating meat, but abhor smoking. (divegeester😉 )
Now I've already mentioned that I dont find a problem woth meat eating, as long as there is a connection.
"Thank you lord Shiva for the animal that gave its life for my meal"
In my way of thinking, you stop hurting others first, then you stop hurti ...[text shortened]... culture-with no reverence for the animals that were systematically slaughtered for my meal?
Originally posted by divegeesterThis is the sought of falsity that I am talking about.
I never used the word "abhor" and you are extrapolating a single comment (and a personal opinion of myself) about smoking to generalise about a global community of Christians, you should not do this. I do not (of course!) represent the majority of Christians and I'm sure my view of Christianity and especially the so called temporal Christian church woul ...[text shortened]... rate and eat a balanced diet and take regular exercise...in short, keep some perspective.
Originally posted by vishvahetuKilling other animals is just what animals do - to this end we are also animals; it's just that 'most of us' have better reasoning skills than other animals. In the grand scheme of things this is not an important difference.
This is the sought of falsity that I am talking about.
The false teachings of the Bible, tells the followers that animal slaughter is ok and not to be cruel to animals has no spiritual value whatsoever,
Absolute nonsense and a very dangerous belief.
Originally posted by AgergForget what scripture says, forget God, forget the Vedas..........but cruelty to animals is still wrong and low class.
Killing other animals is just what animals do - to this end we are also animals; it's just that 'most of us' have better reasoning skills than other animals. In the grand scheme of things this is not an important difference.
I wouldn't hold it against a tiger for trying to eat me - to it I am food - similarly, to me, chickens and cows are food. Yes being ki ...[text shortened]... ts just to appease some supposed ever present but never seen 'universal intelligence'.
Originally posted by vishvahetuQuote VishaAnyhow, you do not have the greater perspective on this.
Forget what scripture says, forget God, forget the Vedas..........but cruelty to animals is still wrong and low class.
Originally posted by mikelomLower forms of life have different levels sentient feelings.
[b]Quote VishaAnyhow, you do not have the greater perspective on this.
How ignorant, ignoramous and ignoble are you going to slip to???
Quote cruelty to animals is still wrong and low class.
In which class is this, of animals?
You stated bacteria has a soul, and then said it doesn't matter on the lower scale, as they have no 'feelings ...[text shortened]... n an animal feels or not?
I lower myself to you, in order to beg you for an answer!
-m.[/b]