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    02 May '18 22:01
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Are you asking that because you don't know the difference between good and evil?
    I am asking because you and I presumably have different definitions of "evil".
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    02 May '18 22:03
    Originally posted by @fmf
    So do you believe music is precluded by "the right spirituality"?
    Music? Did someone say music?

    Are you trying to lure this discussion down a rabbit hole?
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    02 May '18 22:06
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I am asking because you and I presumably have different definitions of "evil".
    There's nothing to define. There is good, and there is evil.

    You presumably have difficulty distinguishing between the two.
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    02 May '18 22:09
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Music? Did someone say music?

    Are you trying to lure this discussion down a rabbit hole?
    You said: "'I've heard every song ten thousand times. It all sucks for me now anymore." And then you went on to say that the right spirituality for precludes affection for things on the earth. By "music" I mean songs. I am replying to your post.
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    02 May '18 22:11
    Originally posted by @secondson
    There's nothing to define. There is good, and there is evil.

    You presumably have difficulty distinguishing between the two.
    So, I'll ask again, is "things on earth" a term you use as a synonym for "evil"?
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    02 May '18 22:27
    Originally posted by @fmf
    So, I'll ask again, is "things on earth" a term you use as a synonym for "evil"?
    "Things" like what?
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    02 May '18 22:29
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I am replying to your post.
    That's debatable.
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    02 May '18 22:32
    Originally posted by @secondson
    "Things" like what?
    That's what I asked you in my first post addressed to you. "Things on earth" is a term you chose to use. I am asking you about it.
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    02 May '18 22:35
    Originally posted by @secondson
    That's debatable.
    You talked about affection for things - like music (songs), "things on earth", right? - being "precluded" by the spirituality you referred to as "right".
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    02 May '18 22:48
    Originally posted by @fmf
    That's what I asked you in my first post addressed to you. "Things on earth" is a term you chose to use. I am asking you about it.
    Evil things.
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    02 May '18 22:49
    Originally posted by @fmf
    You talked about affection for things - like music (songs), "things on earth", right? - being "precluded" by the spirituality you referred to as "right".
    You're having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about, right?
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    02 May '18 22:53
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    "Carry On Wayward Son" is a rock song by the band Kansas, from the 1976 album Leftoverture. This song, along with "Dust in the Wind" were both written by Kerry Livgren and were arguably Kansas' highest charting songs ever.

    Here are the lyrics:


    [i]Carry on my wayward son
    There'll be peace when you are done
    Lay your weary head to rest
    Don' ...[text shortened]... ather than mere "searching".

    What say you? Does this song resonate for you, and in what way?
    Isn't it obvious?

    What does a song about Dive have to do with anything?
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    02 May '18 22:55
    Originally posted by @secondson
    You're having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about, right?
    Not at all. I think you blurted out something ill-considered and are having difficulty standing by it.
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    02 May '18 23:011 edit
    I prefer songs that I know what it is about.

    Amish paradise anyone?

    As I walk through the valley where I harvest my grain
    I take a look at my wife and realize she's very plain
    But that's just perfect for an Amish like me
    You know, I shun fancy things like electricity
    At 4:30 in the morning I'm milkin' cows
    Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows... fool
    And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
    Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone
    I'm a man of the land, I'm into discipline
    Got a Bible in my hand and a beard on my chin
    But if I finish all of my chores and you finish thine
    Then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699

    We been spending most our lives
    Living in an Amish paradise
    I've churned butter once or twice
    Living in an Amish paradise
    It's hard work and sacrifice
    Living in an Amish paradise
    We sell quilts at discount price
    Living in an Amish paradise

    A local boy kicked me in the butt last week
    I just smiled at him and I turned the other cheek
    I really don't care, in fact I wish him well
    'Cause I'll be laughing my head off when he's burning in hell
    But I ain't never punched a tourist even if he deserved it
    An Amish with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of
    I never wear buttons but I got a cool hat
    And my homies agree, I really look good in black...fool
    If you come to visit, you'll be bored to tears
    We haven't even paid the phone bill in 300 years
    But we ain't really quaint, so please don't point and stare
    We're just technologically impaired

    There's no phone, no lights, no motorcar
    Not a single luxury
    Like Robinson Crusoe
    It's as primitive as can be

    We been spending most our lives
    Living in an Amish paradise
    We're just plain and simple guys
    Living in an Amish paradise
    There's no time for sin and vice
    Living in an Amish paradise
    We don't fight, we all play nice
    Living in an Amish paradise

    Hitchin' up the buggy, churnin' lots of butter
    Raised a barn on Monday, soon I'll raise another
    Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart?
    Well, I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art
    I'm the pious guy the little Amlettes wanna be like
    On my knees day and night scorin' points for the afterlife
    So don't be vain and don't be whiny
    Or else, my brother, I might have to get medieval on your heinie

    We been spending most our lives
    Living in an Amish paradise
    We're all crazy Mennonites
    Living in an Amish paradise
    There's no cops or traffic lights
    Living in an Amish paradise
    But you'd probably think it bites
    Living in an Amish paradise
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    02 May '18 23:051 edit
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Not at all. I think you blurted out something ill-considered and are having difficulty standing by it.
    Actually, it's the blurting and I'll-considered things you say I'm having difficulty standing by.

    When someone keeps asking questions about the obvious, I begin to think they're hiding an agenda.

    Go ahead, ask me what I mean.
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