Originally posted by ZahlanziNot by herself. She had help.
she made her decisions. she wasn't coerced. she became a nun by choice and this event is no different than someone buying a vacuum cleaner from a persuasive door to door salesman.
catholic church ruined her life? hardly. at most she ruined her life herself.
Originally posted by josephwshe is responsible. unless she is retarded in any way which she isn't she is responsible of her own actions.
Not by herself. She had help.
i would understand if she were kidnapped, if the church constantly removed all choices from her life. but she was invited to become a nun. when you buy an oven, do you consider the person who sold you the oven responsible for you having an oven?
Originally posted by ZahlanziWouldn't you admit though that there are pitfalls in life that the naive fall into? And that some are taken advantage of?
she is responsible. unless she is retarded in any way which she isn't she is responsible of her own actions.
i would understand if she were kidnapped, if the church constantly removed all choices from her life. but she was invited to become a nun. when you buy an oven, do you consider the person who sold you the oven responsible for you having an oven?
I don't disagree that the woman made her own choices, but that doesn't excuse those that lead people astray.
Originally posted by kirksey957Church is different. Priests and nuns generally report that, when young, they enjoyed Mass, wanted daily Communion and often prayed. Those are the typical signs of a relgious vocation. So when a young person shows a particular interest in religious life, it is typical for a priest or nun to ask whether they have considered their vocation (at highschool, I, and many others, got this question from priests and brothers). There is no element of manipulation; had this woman simply responded "I have prayed to God and believe that I am not called to religious life", the nun would probably have dropped the subject.
I have been through the checkout line in a grocery store m any times in my life. I have never been asked by the cashier if I wanted to be a cashier.
I have been to the car mechanic many times in my life. I have never been asked by any of them if I wanted to be a car mechanic.
I sometimes will see my mailman and say "hi." He has never asked me if ...[text shortened]... have gone out to eat many times. I have never been asked if I wanted to be a chef or waiter.
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Originally posted by josephwLed her astray? Already she has served in impoverished communities, doing more Christ-like work than most fat-arse Christians at home. If she performs well in her theological studies, she might even be invited to complete a regency period in which she would pursue graduate studies, possibly doctoral education. The opportunities are huge. How is she being led astray?
I don't disagree that the woman made her own choices, but that doesn't excuse those that lead people astray.
Originally posted by Conrau KYou're right. I guess I was under the impression that she was "led" astray. Even though I don't agree with the Catholic church.
Led her astray? Already she has served in impoverished communities, doing more Christ-like work than most fat-arse Christians at home. If she performs well in her theological studies, she might even be invited to complete a regency period in which she would pursue graduate studies, possibly doctoral education. The opportunities are huge. How is she being led astray?
Originally posted by ZahlanziShe wasn't coerced? She was sent away to pray for eight days. After praying for five hours straight, she reported to the priest that she wasn't hearing God's call, and he told her to get back in there and do it right this time.
she made her decisions. she wasn't coerced.
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Originally posted by Conrau KShe had been manipulated into devoting her life to an organization that believes women aren't even fit to hold a candle during mass but that can't provide any lucid answers for such a belief.
Exactly what is so controversial?
Perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of the policy is that when there aren't any boys available, then somehow girls suddenly become perfectly capable of carrying the candle. Funny how that works.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesNothing in the article suggests she was "sent away" to the retreat or that the retreat was connected to the Loreto nuns. Perhaps it was a spiritual retreat organised by her own parish for which she volunteered. As the spiritual director of the retreat, the priest is supposed to provide instruction for how they should pray, what they should do...that is the point of a spiritual retreat.
She wasn't coerced? She was sent away to pray for eight days. After praying for five hours straight, she reported to the priest that she wasn't hearing God's call, and he told her to get back in there and do it right this time.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWomen are allowed to be altar-servers. There is no prohibition against that. The author of the article only argued that boys should be preferred because the role of altar-boy naturally evolves into the acolyte and then into the priesthood.
She had been manipulated into devoting her life to an organization that believes women aren't even fit to hold a candle during mass but that can't provide any lucid answers for such a belief.
Perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of the policy is that when there aren't any boys available, then somehow girls suddenly become perfectly capable of carrying the candle. Funny how that works.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles"Sent away"? She wasn't kidnapped, dude.
She wasn't coerced? She was sent away to pray for eight days. After praying for five hours straight, she reported to the priest that she wasn't hearing God's call, and he told her to get back in there and do it right this time.