1. London
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    27 Sep '05 12:47
    Originally posted by bbarr
    Again, the issue isn't marriage. The issue is allowing priests an outlet for healthy sexual expression, rather than taking something as fundamental to our biological nature as our sexuality and repressing it. I placed this point within the context of marriage because I'm sure you folk wouldn't want priests having any sort of sex outside of marriage.
    Again, if that were true, shouldn't it turn up as a difference of minor abuse rates? After all, aren't a far greater number of married men sexually active than celibate priests?

    The facts simply do not support your argument - as reasonable as it might be.
  2. London
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    27 Sep '05 12:49
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    How would restoring their credibility look like to you?
    Could you clarify the question, please?

    Are you asking what the process of restoration would look like? Or what the result will look like?
  3. London
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    29 Sep '05 11:56
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Could you clarify the question, please?

    Are you asking what the process of restoration would look like? Or what the result will look like?
    *bump*

    kirksey?
  4. Et in Arcadia ego...
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    02 Oct '05 14:171 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Have the Pope start burning child molesting priests at the stake. The Church has certainly applied that punishment for lesser crimes.
    What are you implying? That the Church traditionally advocated punitive practices which we Westerners now consider brutal??
  5. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    02 Oct '05 14:52
    Originally posted by sjeg
    What are you implying? That the Church traditionally advocated punitive practices which we Westerners now consider brutal??
    Yes.
  6. Felicific Forest
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    02 Oct '05 17:14
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Yes.
    It would be a good and enlightening quest not to compare today's views to the past's views, but the past's secular, wordly views to the past's religious, ecclesiastical views.

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm
  7. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    02 Oct '05 17:17
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    It would be a good and enlightening quest not to compare today's views to the past's views, but the past's secular, wordly views to the past's religious, ecclesiastical views.

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm
    Why is that whenever you post a link to an article, the site I am directed to displays a picture of the Pope?
  8. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    02 Oct '05 17:18
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    It would be a good and enlightening quest not to compare today's views to the past's views, but the past's secular, wordly views to the past's religious, ecclesiastical views.
    It sounds like you are invoking moral relativism.
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    02 Oct '05 17:18
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Why is that whenever you post a link to an article, the site I am directed to displays a picture of the Pope?
    LMAO!
  10. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    02 Oct '05 17:20
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    It would be a good and enlightening quest not to compare today's views to the past's views, but the past's secular, wordly views to the past's religious, ecclesiastical views.

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm
    "One of the most enduring myths of the Inquisition is that it was a tool of oppression imposed on unwilling Europeans by a power-hungry Church. Nothing could be more wrong. In truth, the Inquisition brought order, justice, and compassion to combat rampant secular and popular persecutions of heretics."

    Come on, Ivanhoe. This is crap.
  11. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    02 Oct '05 18:47
    "Twice-told tales
    The rhetoric surrounding the Catholic Church’s current priest sex-abuse scandal owes much to the 19th century’s sensational anti-Catholic propaganda"

    http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/02299171.htm
  12. Standard memberfrogstomp
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    02 Oct '05 21:40
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Twice-told tales
    The rhetoric surrounding the Catholic Church’s current priest sex-abuse scandal owes much to the 19th century’s sensational anti-Catholic propaganda"

    http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/02299171.htm
    oh boy, they're really laying it on thick, ain't they?
  13. Felicific Forest
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    02 Oct '05 21:54
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Why is that whenever you post a link to an article, the site I am directed to displays a picture of the Pope?
    Just wait ...... 😉
  14. Standard memberNemesio
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    02 Oct '05 21:55
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    "One of the most enduring myths of the Inquisition is that it was a tool of oppression imposed on unwilling Europeans by a power-hungry Church. Nothing could be more wrong. In truth, the Inquisition brought order, justice, and compassion to combat rampant secular and popular persecutions of heretics."

    Come on, Ivanhoe. This is crap.
    Ivanhoe, how can you in good conscience even link to a site with this
    quotation?

    Nemesio
  15. Felicific Forest
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    02 Oct '05 21:562 edits
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    "One of the most enduring myths of the Inquisition is that it was a tool of oppression imposed on unwilling Europeans by a power-hungry Church. Nothing could be more wrong. In truth, the Inquisition brought order, justice, and compassion to combat rampant secular and popular persecutions of heretics."

    Come on, Ivanhoe. This is crap.
    Is it ? If you put it in the articles's context the quote becomes quite clear.
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