Caught in the Lie.

Originally posted by sonship
I think any typical reasonable human being would observe a chimp or primate an notice that they share a similarity in appearance mankind. The question is - Why is this ?

The visible kinship is apparent. [b]Why is this ? [/b]

The kinship is apparent for one reason only, because we are kin. And it goes a lot deeper than visible kinship it goes right down into the DNA and even into parts of DNA that have no effect whatsoever on visible appearance.
The fact is the evidence fits the scientific explanation of actual kinship, but does not fit well with your explanation.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]I think any typical reasonable human being would observe a chimp or primate an notice that they share a similarity in appearance mankind. The question is - Why is this ?

Because we all stem from the same branch on the evolutionary family tree.[/b]

If there is a "tree" like classification structure to be described, it may not be an "evolutionary tree" though there is some "branching" relationship.

Do you think something else could account for a "tree" like relationship of classification of animals besides relationships of descent ? Did you ever think something else besides relationships of descent could account for such an outline ?

Originally posted by sonship
If there is a "tree" like classification structure to be described, it may not be an "evolutionary tree" though there is some "branching" relationship.

Do you think something else could account for a "tree" like relationship of classification of animals besides relationships of descent ? Did you ever think something else besides relationships of descent could account for such an outline ?

The answer to your two questions are yes and yes.

Now if there is no 'evolutionary tree', show me the evidence for your alternative hypothesis. And please, no YouTube links.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The answer to your two questions are yes and yes.

Now if there is no 'evolutionary tree', show me the evidence for your alternative hypothesis. And please, no YouTube links.

I am satisfied just to hear you recognize something else could possibly be responsible for how a classification scheme appears.

And I think questioning that doesn't demand that an alternative explanation be proposed immediately upon questioning that.

Of course it is hard to discover the "roots" of this tree structure.
Someone has to wonder what the origin "roots" of this scheme look like.

And it has also been complained that the structure more resembles a series of low lying hedges rather than a grand single tall "tree".

Originally posted by sonship
I am satisfied just to hear you recognize something else could possibly be responsible for how a classification scheme appears.

And I think questioning that doesn't demand that an alternative explanation be proposed immediately upon questioning that.

Of course it is hard to discover the "roots" of this tree structure.
Someone has to wonder w ...[text shortened]... cture more resembles a series of low lying hedges rather than a grand single tall "tree".

I have to make the distinction between what is possible and what is probable here. It could be possible that something else could be responsible for how a classification scheme appears. Is it probable? I would say no. The evidence is far too substantial in my view.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The answer to your two questions are yes and yes.

Now if there is no 'evolutionary tree', show me the evidence for your alternative hypothesis. And please, no YouTube links.

There was a tree of life in the Garden of Eden. However, our ancestors did not eat of it. Instead, they decided to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That is why we are in the fix that we are in. Many men have decided to make an evil-lution god of their own choosing to replace the true God of creation.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
There was a tree of life in the Garden of Eden. However, our ancestors did not eat of it. Instead, they decided to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That is why we are in the fix that we are in. Many men have decided to make an evil-lution god of their own choosing to replace the true God of creation.

The Instructor

You can rationalize that all you want, apologist for creationism but that doesn't alter the fact, jack, that evolution is real and there is ZERO credible evidence to the contrary. All you have are disgruntled so-called scientists who, even though they might have Phd's, are not real scientists because they start out with a clearly defined agenda. That is not science. Let me repeat. THAT IS NOT SCIENCE. That is warping the data, rewriting with false information in such a way as to try to convince weak minds of the political ends of the creationist crowd, which is forcing creationism to be taught as if it were a science and then further to want to become the national censors of science. Being like #30 on the world education list for the USA is not good enough. They want to strive to get us in last place, nothing else matters but the blind acceptance of christian dogma.

Originally posted by sonship
I am satisfied just to hear you recognize something else could possibly be responsible for how a classification scheme appears.

To add to Proper Knob's comments, you asked if a tree-like structure could have alternative explanations, you did not ask if all the evidence for common ancestry that we have, of which the tree like structure of classification systems is only a part, could possibly have alternative explanations. If you had asked the latter, I think the answer would still be yes, but the only reasonable alternative explanation would be that it was specifically made to look like common ancestry was responsible. There is just so much evidence that chance similarity would not be possible.

Originally posted by RJHinds
He has already said that it is a false religion and a religion of animal killers.

The Instructor

Really??? You do realize that your Jesus was one of us, a Jew, right to his death. I do know enough about Christianity to know that your icon, Jesus, would not be pleased with the hateful crap you sling in this forum.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God did it not to confuse YOU, but because He was in a hurry. Remember it was the 6th day of creation already and the Sabbath was hurriedly approaching.

The Instructor

Whaaat? I thought your god was perfect, omnicient and omnipotent. i would think this statement, even if stated tongue in cheek would be way too cheeky and send you straight to Haides.

Originally posted by Phranny
Really??? You do realize that your Jesus was one of us, a Jew, right to his death. I do know enough about Christianity to know that your icon, Jesus, would not be pleased with the hateful crap you sling in this forum.

I'm sorry. He said that about Christianity. I forgot that Judaism is nothing like Christianity.

The Instructor

Originally posted by Phranny
Whaaat? I thought your god was perfect, omnicient and omnipotent. i would think this statement, even if stated tongue in cheek would be way too cheeky and send you straight to Haides.

Well, my Lord and Savior has a sense of humor and He loves me and will forgive me for my shortcomings, because I believe in and put my faith in Him.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, my Lord and Savior has a sense of humor and He loves me and will forgive me for my shortcomings, because I believe in and put my faith in Him.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The Instructor

You mean it has a sense of humor because it allegedly made us? So it had a good laugh at all that.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There was a tree of life in the Garden of Eden. However, our ancestors did not eat of it. Instead, they decided to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That is why we are in the fix that we are in. Many men have decided to make an evil-lution god of their own choosing to replace the true God of creation.

The Instructor

do you agree that the hinds family forms a genetic tree and that your family genetics can be traced through the generations?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you agree that the hinds family forms a genetic tree and that your family genetics can be traced through the generations?

I don't know. All I know is that it has not been done yet.

The Instructor