09 Jul 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasWhat are "supernatural phenomena"? If they are phenomena, then they can be observed/measured/etc.
It's like an integer is either negative, or positive. You cannot find an number being negative and positive at the same time. (Zero is neither.) The both classes of integers are in separate domains, like religion and science. Treating positive numbers as they would be negative, or vice versa, doesn't give good results.
To be religious, I define, is to ...[text shortened]... need for any supernatural being.
Therefore Religion and Science don't need to be mixed.
09 Jul 09
Originally posted by karoly aczel…There will come a time when we will have to leave our rational little minds behind.
There will come a time when we will have to leave our rational little minds behind. Until then we can debate the pros and cons til the cows come home🙂
(I must admit I do get nervous when I see your name on the last post. You are so hard to answer.Thank you AH)
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Come off it -we won’t ALL get Alzheimer's.
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by daniel58I was joking (although, surely, at least in the horrific final stages of this cruel and horrific disease, they would loose all rationality!)
Just because somebody has Alzheimer's doesn't mean they are irrational.
And I didn’t understand what karoly aczel meant by:
“There will come a time when we will have to leave our rational little minds behind”
-what time would that be? Death? -if so, as far as I am aware, it isn’t even the main-stream Christian view that we would loose all our rationality in the 'afterlife'! -right?
11 Jul 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThats right andrew. Death. Or enlightenment, which ever comes first.
I was joking (although, surely, at least in the horrific final stages of this cruel and horrific disease, they would loose all rationality!)
And I didn’t understand what karoly aczel meant by:
“There will come a time when we will have to leave our rational little minds behind”
-what time would that be? Death? -if so, as far as I am aware, ...[text shortened]... main-stream Christian view that we would loose all our rationality in the 'afterlife'! -right?
As bleak as these two options may appear I suggest they are the only two things to really look forward to in 'life'.
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11 Jul 09
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Originally posted by PenguinI have a Moluccan cockatoo that laughs. He understands laughter and the label it represents. Where is he in your information? Where is a dolphin? Do they laugh and can they understand laughter?
Obviously, the topic should be in the Science forum but seeing as it will degrade into creationists and realists bashing each other, I thought I would post it here instead. In that respect I suppose I am really just being a troll 😛!
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/04/chimps-apes-laugh.html
An analysis of the laughter, presented in the latest hat lends further weight to the already mountainous amount of evidence for it.
--- Penguin.
Rhetorical question, dude.
11 Jul 09
Originally posted by karoly aczel…Thats right andrew. Death. Or enlightenment,
Thats right andrew. Death. Or enlightenment, which ever comes first.
As bleak as these two options may appear I suggest they are the only two things to really look forward to in 'life'.
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Let me get this straight -to loose our ability to reason would result in ‘enlightenment’? -isn’t that a contradiction? This is what you seem to be implying to me by suggesting that we could achieve ‘enlightenment’ on “the day we leave our RATIONAL minds behind”.
…As bleak as these two options may appear I suggest they are the only two things to really look forward to in 'life'.
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How on earth can losing my rational mind be something to “look forward to“?
-if I cease to be able to reason and have lost my mind then I have lost everything (and then to say I would then have an afterlife would be a contradiction in terms because it wouldn’t be an afterLIFE because I would have no mind and no ability to reason!).
11 Jul 09
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonbah!!😛
[b]…Thats right andrew. Death. Or enlightenment,
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Let me get this straight -to loose our ability to reason would result in ‘enlightenment’? -isn’t that a contradiction? This is what you seem to be implying to me by suggesting that we could achieve ‘enlightenment’ on “the day we leave our RATIONAL minds behind”.
…As bleak as these two because it wouldn’t be an afterLIFE because I would have no mind and no ability to reason!).
i was just posting a bit of doggerel.
If you cant get into the spirit of my posts ..well..Bah!!
Yes I suppose there was another contradiction in there. But I dont think so!
dont worry man , nothing 'bad' will happen . All this will be overseen by the cosmic overseers. They will help you adjust.
I may 'come down a bit' later so I may have another reply if this one is not satisfactory...so check back later!
11 Jul 09
Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonanyway I din't say 'ability to reason' I said ' our rational little minds'.
[b]…Thats right andrew. Death. Or enlightenment,
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Let me get this straight -to loose our ability to reason would result in ‘enlightenment’? -isn’t that a contradiction? This is what you seem to be implying to me by suggesting that we could achieve ‘enlightenment’ on “the day we leave our RATIONAL minds behind”.
…As bleak as these two ...[text shortened]... because it wouldn’t be an afterLIFE because I would have no mind and no ability to reason!).
12 Jul 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelNow I am not sure if I have understood you;
anyway I din't say 'ability to reason' I said ' our rational little minds'.
how can we loose our rationality AND cease to have our minds AND STILL maintain our ability to ‘reason’ despite this!?
12 Jul 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYou have to have reason to be rational but not always the other way around, and who said anything about ceasing to have your minds?
Now I am not sure if I have understood you;
how can we loose our rationality AND cease to have our minds AND STILL maintain our ability to ‘reason’ despite this!?