China Eradicating Uighur Holy Sites

@divegeester said
And yet you have claimed to enjoy my posting, you think I’m one of the best debate opponents here and agree with half of what it say.

Interesting.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

I guess it depends on which one of you I'm replying to.

@secondson said
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

I guess it depends on which one of you I'm replying to.

Or how much you’ve had to drink.

@divegeester said
Or how much you’ve had to drink.

How much is too much?

as an internalist socialist...like pol pot killed anyone who wore glasses...because they had an education and as an internalist communist they had to be killed...so to kill or imprison the muslims of china is child play.

we communist international socialists...like our sister socialists...the National Socialist ( NAZI party of socialist germany ) kill and exterminate anyone who does not belong in "our picture"...tibet yesterday, taiwan tomorrow...etc.

the socialists, from the mobs of 1848 to the french revoltion, etc.. are blood dogs.

@stalin said
as an internalist socialist...like pol pot killed anyone who wore glasses...because they had an education and as an internalist communist they had to be killed...so to kill or imprison the muslims of china is child play.

we communist international socialists...like our sister socialists...the National Socialist ( NAZI party of socialist germany ) kill and exterminate anyon ...[text shortened]... rrow...etc.

the socialists, from the mobs of 1848 to the french revoltion, etc.. are blood dogs.

Obey your master

@divegeester said
I haven’t read the link, I don’t have to at this juncture because you are conflating the destruction of historic buildings with the reassignment of others I.e. Hagia Sophia.

Jesus chided his contemporary religious leaders for overly caring about even Solomon’s Temple, telling them “nor one stone will be left standing”. Yes it is right that we do not overly care about ...[text shortened]... y conflating the destruction of buildings with what we were actually talking about. No gonna happen.

I had always thought that Christ was not even condoning the destruction of Solomon's Temple, but was rather prophesying. This was not some esoteric teaching about how buildings are not important and sacred places so that Divegeester can do well in a debate in two thousand years -- it's about the accurate prediction of the toppling of the Temple, and it's about showing them that the covenant with the Jews would be terminated via the destruction of this Temple.

Separate from all that, you got your tiny nuts squeezed in the Hagia Sophia thread primarily because of your manufactured outrage stating being “personally offended” when you became a Christian and found out about the Hagia Sophia. You weren’t “personally offended” before you were a Christian

It is actually the case that I have some familiarity with the Hagia Sophia.

I responded to a thread created entirely by another peson and talked about how there is a more personal relationship between the Orthodox and the Hagia Sophia.

Even Wikipedia agrees with this.

I think it is the case that I receive a hard time about my word choices because it was the only thing that could be found wrong with my statement, and I am basically targeted by some people for extra attention because I fall on the opposite sides so often with them. That is fine, though, perhaps a lot of us are guilty of this sort of behavior to different degrees. We should not let this personal drama get in the way of anything.

@rajk999 said
Why are you so obsessed with material things.

I think that the question is best answered with another question:

Would it be important if the White House and every antique within it was burnt down?

I think everyone would answer that this would be the case since they represent a tangible connection with history. Not only that, they are as proof of something that happened.

Furthermore, it is the case among Christians themselves that they believe it is possible for relics to work miracles. Of course, there are some who do not believe it, but they are in the minority opinion, and there is proof of this concept in the Bible itself, like in Acts 19:12.

Link:
https://biblehub.com/acts/19-12.htm

@philokalia said
Considering that many people simply feel that a building is just a building, and that the governments of conquering countries have every right to do what they wish with the land... is there a crime here?

Or do the Chinese Communists have a right to eradicate mosques, shrines, etc., without any sort of consent of the people..?

Is it foolish to care for these places? ...[text shortened]... mportant to Uighurs,” Mr. Thum said.[/quote]

New York Times via Archive
https://archive.is/o1Qkq

I guess the ISIS capitalists were guided by the same logic when they destroyed the ancient heritage sites that lay in their path of conquest. It’s an expression of intellectual or spiritual dominion.
How many sites of spiritual significance to pagan societies did Christianity sully or destroy during its expansionist phase.

@kevcvs57 said
I guess the ISIS capitalists were guided by the same logic when they destroyed the ancient heritage sites that lay in their path of conquest. It’s an expression of intellectual or spiritual dominion.
How many sites of spiritual significance to pagan societies did Christianity sully or destroy during its expansionist phase.

The one that comes to mind is Irminsol.

But yes, many pagan temples and groves where human and animal sacrifice occurred were destroyed.

Others were preserved, like Stonehenge and the many rock formations in France. Plenty of Roman temples.

Many Priests and Bishops condemned conversion by force. Ferrer was ordered to rebuild the synagogues of Seville by the Pope and the Spanish Archbishop.

And we are alive now to talk about the crimes against the Uighurs.

@divegeester said
And yet you have claimed to enjoy my posting, you think I’m one of the best debate opponents here and agree with half of what it say.

Interesting.

Nobody's perfect.

@stalin said
as an internalist socialist...like pol pot killed anyone who wore glasses...because they had an education and as an internalist communist they had to be killed...so to kill or imprison the muslims of china is child play.

we communist international socialists...like our sister socialists...the National Socialist ( NAZI party of socialist germany ) kill and exterminate anyon ...[text shortened]... rrow...etc.

the socialists, from the mobs of 1848 to the french revoltion, etc.. are blood dogs.

The Nazis were not socialists. They were on the other side of the tracks from the socialists.

@philokalia said
I think that the question is best answered with another question:

Would it be important if the White House and every antique within it was burnt down?

I think everyone would answer that this would be the case since they represent a tangible connection with history. Not only that, they are as proof of something that happened.

Furthermore, it is the case am ...[text shortened]... this concept in the Bible itself, like in Acts 19:12.

Link:
https://biblehub.com/acts/19-12.htm

These relics lost whatever mojo they had once the Church started selling them to the highest bidder.

@secondson said
How much is too much?

Enough for you to claim that you enjoy my posting, you think I’m one of the best debate opponents here and agree with half of what it say. But on a more sober day you blurt out what you said above.

@suzianne said
Nobody's perfect.

No, but some get away with it. Don’t they...

@philokalia said
I think that the question is best answered with another question:

Would it be important if the White House and every antique within it was burnt down?

I think everyone would answer that this would be the case since they represent a tangible connection with history. Not only that, they are as proof of something that happened.

Furthermore, it is the case am ...[text shortened]... this concept in the Bible itself, like in Acts 19:12.

Link:
https://biblehub.com/acts/19-12.htm

Regarding the White House or any other house for that matter, the answer is NO. These things have only temporal value or immediate value in our earthly lives. As Christians we are supposed to be looking for new things, heavenly things, which are eternal, rather than focus on things of this world Paul discussed this matter in detail in 2 Cor 5 and 6.