Christian Neutrality #2

Originally posted by galveston75
You have a problem with Jesus it seems.

I have somewhat of a problem with what you claim Jesus has told you what not to do, and with you framing your actions - or, indeed, non-actions, as the case may be - as being moral behaviour that is inherently superior to that of people others, i.e. those who are not members of your group, yes. It's enough of a "problem" for me to be interested in debating it with you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is your understanding of the term, 'no part of the world?'

I am interested in your understanding.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Public health, justice, education, infrastructure, resource management or environmental safeguards will do to start. All of the above (a nod to FMF for them) are ran by 'civil government' in our social democracy, how would the above be run in a society of 'True Christians' if 'True Christians' are to be politically neutral and not part of civil government?

Maybe a capitalist republic instead of a social democracy would be better?

Originally posted by galveston75
From my viewpoint, yes you are correct. The non Christians could and probably would become the ones in charge and the cycle would start over again.
And as far as that goes under the imperfect state that all of mankind is under now many of the Christian faith would no doubt do the same as we have seen all throught history.
Many religios leaders have ...[text shortened]... en cleanzed of all badness and the planet will once again be the paradise God intended it to be.

So you admit a government run by non-christians would be very bad. So why shouldn't Christians try to get in control of government by voting Christian representative into office? That seems better than just turning everything over to the muslims or atheists.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]first of all, are you talking of a society in which everyone, as you put it, is a true
christian

Correct. How would a society of True Christians function? That was my OP.[/b]

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Robert!!!! You've not answered.

Correct. How would a society of True Christians function? That was my OP

Originally posted by Proper Knob
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Robert!!!! You've not answered.

Correct. How would a society of True Christians function? That was my OP

with love 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
with love 🙂

If you don't know, you can say 'i don't know'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
If you don't know, you can say 'i don't know'.

you asked, how would a society of true Christians function and i gave you the answer, with love.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you asked, how would a society of true Christians function and i gave you the answer, with love.

Okay, here's my question from the beginning -

Public health, justice, education, infrastructure, resource management or environmental safeguards will do to start. All of the above (a nod to FMF for them) are ran by 'civil government' in our social democracy, how would the above be run in a society of 'True Christians' if 'True Christians' are to be politically neutral and not part of civil government?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Okay, here's my question from the beginning -

Public health, justice, education, infrastructure, resource management or environmental safeguards will do to start. All of the above (a nod to FMF for them) are ran by 'civil government' in our social democracy, how would the above be run in a society of 'True Christians' if 'True Christians' are to be politically neutral and not part of civil government?

let us take the example of construction,

we are well known for our ability to safely build structures, adequately and quickly
with astonishing efficiency, in fact , after the foundation has been laid and cured, we
can erect a kingdom hall, to the specified building regulations in a weekend, is it not
the case? I myself have been involved in several of these projects throughout
Scotland. Now what do we do differently than say those who build on a building site,
on which i used to also work and have some practical experience,

firstly we are non profit, this means that people are motivated out of desire rather
than monetary means

secondly we are able through cooperation to get many tasks done ultra efficiently,
brick lines are an example where one brick is passed along a line of people meaning
that the brick layers have a constant supply, a commercial enterprise simply could
not afford this luxury of so many persons doing little menial tasks

our pre-build organisation is outstanding, there is consultation between all
departments, the building committee, the architects, the heads of the departments,
i.e scaffolding, roofing, dry wall lining, joiners, welders, bricklayers, electricians,
plasterers, decorators, carpet layers, suspended ceiling, tilers, cooks, on site food,
landscape gardeners, render and cement mixing and general volunteers. All of these
teams are presided over by a qualified brother who looks after his team, they know
the tasks that have been assigned to them and the time they have to get the work
done.

there is no friction between these departments for all are working for a common
goal, organisation and a spirit of cooperation are they key, the only time that the
civil authorities are involved is during planning, when the plans are submitted and on
completion when the clerk of works/building inspector inspects the building to
establish that it meets recognised standards of safety.

we have built award winning buildings through this spirit of co-operation and
expertise, you may like to check out the Bristol assembly hall, its two thirds
underground with a waterfall in the foyer! I did not work on it myself but I visited it
during construction to see the progress.

you asked how public health, education, infrastructure etc etc will be run and I
provided this example to illustrate that all things take place because of outstanding
organisation, co operation, a willing spirit and qualified individuals who are willing to
provide their expertise. We already organise the worlds largest Bible education
program, have produced literature in over 400 languages including sign language
and Braille and you are asking us how true Christians will take care of education,
plueeeeeeze, dude, i don't want to be immodest, but piece of cake comes to mind!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
let us take the example of construction,

we are well known for our ability to safely build structures, adequately and quickly
with astonishing efficiency, in fact , after the foundation has been laid and cured, we
can erect a kingdom hall, to the specified building regulations in a weekend, is it not
the case? I myself have been involved i ...[text shortened]... f education,
plueeeeeeze, dude, i don't want to be immodest, but piece of cake comes to mind!

A short reply as i'm off teaching soon.

I can't see how the construction of one building can be used to explain how the entire infrastructure of a whole society would function. You are still yet to explain who would make the political decisions that civil government make in our society in a society of True Christians. For instance -

the only time that the civil authorities are involved is during planning, when the plans are submitted and on completion when the clerk of works/building inspector inspects the building to establish that it meets recognised standards of safety.

Who would take the role of the civil authorities from your above quote in a society of True Christians? Someone has to make decisions regarding planning?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
A short reply as i'm off teaching soon.

I can't see how the construction of one building can be used to explain how the entire infrastructure of a whole society would function. You are still yet to explain who would make the political decisions that civil government make in our society in a society of True Christians. For instance -

[quote]the only ...[text shortened]... above quote in a society of True Christians? Someone has to make decisions regarding planning?

it provides a microcosm dude, the role of civil government could easily be handled by a
group of qualified individuals/civil engineers, we after all do have our on building
committees and architects who didn't get their qualifications from the river Clyde when
they fell in 😛 You have a cooking class, nice.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it provides a microcosm dude, the role of civil government could easily be handled by a
group of qualified individuals/civil engineers, we after all do have our on building
committees and architects who didn't get their qualifications from the river Clyde when
they fell in 😛 You have a cooking class, nice.

the role of civil government could easily be handled by a group of qualified individuals/civil engineers

Exactly, they'd be making the decisions that civil authorities make in our society. They would be political.

Cooking up riddims Rob.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]the role of civil government could easily be handled by a group of qualified individuals/civil engineers

Exactly, they'd be making the decisions that civil authorities make in our society. They would be political.

Cooking up riddims Rob.[/b]

LOL, so submitting plans and having them approved is a political act, next time i see the brother who is an architect, ill ask him if he considers himself as a political activist, get cookin! 😀

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]the role of civil government could easily be handled by a group of qualified individuals/civil engineers

Exactly, they'd be making the decisions that civil authorities make in our society. They would be political.

Cooking up riddims Rob.[/b]

here is an interesting aspect, why do we have no police presence or fire stewards at
our conventions? we have lots of trained stewards and fire stewards, but none who are
in the employment of the civil government. Contrast this with a football match.