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Originally posted by 667joeThat wasn't at all clear. Ok, now I get it.
It's the definition of Christianity written in the same fashion as any definition in the dictionary. It's not supposed to be a proper sentence!
Originally posted by 667joeAnd you will have magnified your sin by a magnitude.
I post here because I hope to show theists how silly they are, and give them a chance to redeem themselves with reason. If I can increased the doubt in a theist even a little bit, I will have made a difference.
Originally posted by josephwSaying you "Know" god, if such a god really existed, it would be like an paramecium saying he knows Einstein. This is the height of arrogance.
I do know it.
[b]You say you don't know it. Why should that mean I don't?
That's irrational, in case you don't realise it. What you really don't know is that I know God, and you know you don't.[/b]
Originally posted by 667joeFor the sake of arguement, lets say that what you say is true. It is still reasonable to assume that Mother Teresa reached out to the poor on a level that far surpassed those of her critics.
Mother Teresa only perpetuated the problems of the poor. When asked to return stolen money donated to her, she refused, and most of the money donated to her was not used to help the poor, but was kept by the corrupt Catholic Church which has valued its priests at a higher level than the children it has molested. (Churches are dirty institutions. I alway feel unclean after visiting one!)
Originally posted by whodeyIf her critics did nothing, it was not as bad as what Mother T did. She took stolen money, and discouraged birth control thus increasing poverty and suffering. In addition, she defrauded donators by not using most of the money donated to help the poor. No, I am sorry. Mother T was truly despicable!
For the sake of arguement, lets say that what you say is true. It is still reasonable to assume that Mother Teresa reached out to the poor on a level that far surpassed those of her critics.
In all honesty, you could probably tear apart pretty much anyone in such a way, that is, except for maybe Christ himself.
Originally posted by josephw
Who's upset? I'm not. Not in the least.
What is irrational is to project your own lack of knowledge of the existence of God as evidence for the non-existence of God, and then to assert that because you don't know God that neither do I.
Be honest. You don't [b]know whether there is a God or not. That's the best you can do. There is no evidence for a ...[text shortened]... ll arguments to the contrary are irrational, unsubstantive and without a shred of evidence.[/b]
"In fact, creation is the only plausible rational explanation for the existence of anything."
josephw
Originally posted by avalanchethecatrationality cannot be evaluated by the degree of persons who profess a particular"In fact, creation is the only plausible rational explanation for the existence of anything."
josephw
Clearly that's not a fact, as if it were then all rational people would be creationists, and that is obviously not the case.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRespectfully, this is nonsense Robbie. As you are well aware, the religionist position is based on faith, not logic and reason. The logical refutation of Pascal's Wager alone demonstrates that no established faith can be claimed to be a rational position.
rationality cannot be evaluated by the degree of persons who profess a particular
belief, otherwise, the emperors new clothes would be real.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatconsider this, indeed, faith without reason, is not faith at all, not according to
Respectfully, this is nonsense Robbie. As you are well aware, the religionist position is based on faith, not logic and reason. The logical refutation of Pascal's Wager alone demonstrates that no established faith can be claimed to be a rational position.
I have great respect (and a good dash of envy) for those who are able to make the leap of faith, but to claim that this leap is a rational move goes a long way towards undermining that!
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePlease note the term, 'evident demonstration of realities', now if anything is evident, then by its very nature it requires evidence and if it requires evidence, it cannot be said to lack either reason, nor substance, can it?
consider this, indeed, faith without reason, is not faith at all, not according to
the Biblical definition, which i shall now reproduce for your benefit,
(Hebrews 11:1-2) Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld.
Please note the term, 'evident demonstration of realitie ...[text shortened]...
this seems more plausible to me, is it not the product of reason, rather than blind
faith?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, because things seeming 'more plausible' to you is not the basis for a rational argument or justification.
consider this, indeed, faith without reason, is not faith at all, not according to
the Biblical definition, which i shall now reproduce for your benefit,
(Hebrews 11:1-2) Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld.
Please note the term, 'evident demonstration of realitie ...[text shortened]...
this seems more plausible to me, is it not the product of reason, rather than blind
faith?