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Who thinks there were no Christians until 325 ??
Originally posted by @velnsYes, the gospel is the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ as told by Matthew, Mark,
I’m talking about your first post in this thread where you replied to my OP asking if Christianity would exist without the bible and you said with this:
[b]“People meet the Lord having never read scripture so yes.”
You said “yes” christianity would exist. Suzianne disagrees with you, which is ok. There seems to be mixed views on this so I’m just asking for opinion and discussion.[/b]
Originally posted by @velnsThey can meet the Lord without ever having read scripture, but having scripture is like
No that was indeed my term. But KellyJay did say this:
[b]People meet the Lord having never read scripture so yes.
I’m just extemding the premise that if people can “meet the Lord without having read scripture”, then surely when it comes to salvation (meeting the Lord) the bible has been on occiasions, superfluous.[/b]
Originally posted by @kellyjayI sense some unacknowledged back peddling here.
They can meet the Lord without ever having read scripture, but having scripture is like
learning the rules of the road. You can drive without knowing them, but it is better if you
have them down pat by knowing them. You can be told about what is in scripture, and you
can read it for yourself which is better. Having a written account over time with man i ...[text shortened]... Neither is important if the
truth of the story isn't the truth, and it being related properly.
Originally posted by @kellyjayBut as you said on page 1, the bible is not necessary for salvation and therefore it could be questioned whether it is required for Christianity at all, agreed?
They can meet the Lord without ever having read scripture, but having scripture is like
learning the rules of the road. You can drive without knowing them, but it is better if you
have them down pat by knowing them. You can be told about what is in scripture, and you
can read it for yourself which is better. Having a written account over time with man i ...[text shortened]... Neither is important if the
truth of the story isn't the truth, and it being related properly.
Originally posted by @velnsYou didn’t read everything I said on the matter if that is your take.
But as you said on page 1, the bible is not necessary for salvation and therefore it could be questioned whether it is required for Christianity at all, agreed?
Originally posted by @kellyjayI did read it but what you wrote did not override what you said on page one, it 2as more of a qualification as I see it.
You didn’t read everything I said on the matter if that is your take.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYour notion that there is a way to "God" that is not via Jesus is something new from you. That hasn't been your stance in the past. Perhaps the tenets of your faith are shifting. Nothing wrong with that. With stuff like this, you can believe whatever you want.
You didn’t read everything I said on the matter if that is your take.
Originally posted by @velnsI said people are saved by God not the Bible. You are taking my statements and turning
But as you said on page 1, the bible is not necessary for salvation and therefore it could be questioned whether it is required for Christianity at all, agreed?
Originally posted by @kellyjayI’m not meaning to twist your words and I apologise if that is how it seems. However on page one you specifically said that god saves people without them having ever read bible.
I said people are saved by God not the Bible. You are taking my statements and turning
them into something I did not say. God saving us, is between us and God, the Bible being
a book isn't part of that. You are taking what I wrote about salvation and suggesting the
Bible isn't required at all. Never suggested that, being not part of salvation which is w ...[text shortened]... going back and forth to work, my car isn't necessary for
the trip, but I'm sure glad I have it.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou are being dishonest. In answer to the question of whether there can be Christianity without the Bible, you said "yes", and "People meet the Lord having never read scripture". The Bible is the only place where the Jesus story is told. And you insist that Jesus is the only way to God. Grow some stones, KellyJay. You misstated your belief and you've got too much pride to just admit it. Instead you are trying to back peddle and attribute your stumble to others' misunderstanding. Can there be Christianity without the Bible? No of course not. The idea that there could be is nonsense. Just man up and acknowledge it.
I said people are saved by God not the Bible. You are taking my statements and turning
them into something I did not say. God saving us, is between us and God, the Bible being
a book isn't part of that. You are taking what I wrote about salvation and suggesting the
Bible isn't required at all. Never suggested that, being not part of salvation which is w ...[text shortened]... going back and forth to work, my car isn't necessary for
the trip, but I'm sure glad I have it.
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow would the "some guy" you mention be a Christian or know the Jesus story without the Bible?
...who wants to find some guy who knows the story each
time you are ready to hear it when you can open a book and read it for yourself instead.
Originally posted by @velnsSorry I wrote a book!
I’m not meaning to twist your words and I apologise if that is how it seems. However on page one you specifically said that god saves people without them having ever read bible.
Let me clarify with you then; even though the bible itself is not absolutely necessary, a person must hear the words, the gospel contained in it about Jesus in order for them to b ...[text shortened]... t just by God’s spirit working on them and then being obedient to it...? Or something like that.