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    30 May '18 14:30
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So we have established that poverty is a result of human failure.
    I gave just one example. Do you have some others?
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    30 May '18 14:31
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Tell that to the Amish.
    Do you believe that "prosperity theology" ~ as defined in the link above - is heresy?
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    30 May '18 14:39
    Originally posted by @rajk999 to whodey
    I notice you cannot address the issue.
    It looks like it may be one of whodey's trademark facetious-crypto-fascist drive-by drivel-shootings. 😕
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    30 May '18 15:09
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Nearly half of all Christians in the United States think that a person's poverty is due to lack of effort.

    A poll by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 46 percent of Christians see poverty as the result of individual failings.

    "There's a strong Christian impulse to understand poverty as deeply rooted in morality — ...[text shortened]... /publications/freethought-today/item/30451-christians-are-more-likely-to-blame-poverty-on-effort
    It's easier to blame the poor for their plight than admit society, and life in general, is inherently unfair.
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    30 May '18 15:10
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Funny stuff.

    I don't know of anyone who does not agree that poverty is a result of human failings.

    Who or what then should we blame?
    Famine? Drought? Earthquakes? Pestilence? Or a dozen other things outside of man's control.
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    30 May '18 16:551 edit
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Do you believe that "prosperity theology" ~ as defined in the link above - is heresy?
    I dunno about that.

    All I know is that televangelist Jesse Duplantis is asking for people to give money for his $54 million new jet.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/05/29/dear-lord-televangelist-asking-supporters-for-his-4th-private-plane-its-54-million

    Won't you give today?
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    30 May '18 16:56
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Famine? Drought? Earthquakes? Pestilence? Or a dozen other things outside of man's control.
    Wrong!

    It's Trump's fault.
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    30 May '18 16:59
    Each individual case of poverty has to be looked at separately. Some people are flat out lazy, others make poor decisions, and others are in poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.
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    30 May '18 17:051 edit
    Originally posted by @fmf
    The rich using the institutionalized 'violence of poverty' against the poor is, of course, a prominent example of such a "cultural value".
    Obviously you have never tried teaching academic subjects to poverty kids in public schools. Or at least for very long.
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    30 May '18 17:06
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Wrong!

    It's Trump's fault.
    I thought it was Bush's fault.
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    30 May '18 17:08
    Originally posted by @eladar
    I thought it was Bush's fault.
    It's the fault of every Republican president who ever lived.
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    30 May '18 17:10
    The definition of "poverty" is also relative. But we all know that.
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    30 May '18 17:22
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Obviously you have never tried teaching academic subjects to poverty kids in public schools. Or at least for very long.
    You disagreed with the example I gave?
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    30 May '18 18:25
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Nearly half of all Christians in the United States think that a person's poverty is due to lack of effort.

    A poll by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 46 percent of Christians see poverty as the result of individual failings.

    "There's a strong Christian impulse to understand poverty as deeply rooted in morality — ...[text shortened]... /publications/freethought-today/item/30451-christians-are-more-likely-to-blame-poverty-on-effort
    Kinda hard to take seriously anything from Dawkins and his axe-grinding agenda.
    Out of curiosity, isn't your curiosity piqued when someone doesn't cite their source of information--- I mean, other than saying so-and-so says such-and-such?
    Where's the actual survey the WP relied upon to make such a pronouncement?
    Sketchy, at best.
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    30 May '18 18:26
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    It's easier to blame the poor for their plight than admit society, and life in general, is inherently unfair.
    One could almost say perfectly unfair.
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