Originally posted by jaywill
I do not think this is disingenuos of me or sneaky of me.
You know that there is plenty of disagreement about science and faith. The failure of some people to bring Creationism into the classroom does not insist that all other science minded or faith minded people were in agreement. It does not insist that the SAME people turned aro ...[text shortened]... ect about science and education and not jump to generalities and "guilt by association".
Okay, the Creation to ID link is pretty clear when you compare the names of Creationist and ID authors, so I'm not sure what you're on about there.
ID is the obvious son of Creationism.
On the teaching of science I have to claim a vested interest at the outset since I'm a science teacher.
I have no problem at all with either Creationism or ID being taught in schools - but it's not appropriate to teach it in a science class. Perhaps as a part of a religious education class, or perhaps as some social studies class, or perhaps even (and I've done this with some of my science classes in the past) as a discussion point on current debates (and on bad science).
I've no problem with ID or Creationism (although I personally think anyone that believes it is deranged) but I will not ever teach it to my students as good science, and I will fight to my dying day any attempt to do so in my school, state and nation.
You could say that evolutionary theory is linked with atheism and might be on the mark. I'm an atheist so there's one positive case for your suggestion.
Do I try to push my atheism onto my students? I know you're not suggesting this, but it's worth pointing out, I work in a Cathoilic school, so to be proselytising my own faith in opposition to that would be a bit much.
But this is sort of on a parr with the notion that some people have that homosexual people will somehow taint the young to become homosexual. That's laughable.
I'm not trying to turn you or anyone else into an atheist.
That would be crazy - I like a world where we all have different ideas - it makes forums like this interesting.
But don't tell me that ID is science - that I will not brook.