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Originally posted by dystoniacA moment ago you claimed:
You know NOTHING about my God! .... You also know NOTHING about Christianity.
Yes, you have offered the gift of life. You have reached the age of atonement. ...... you know about Christ and have been warned, as I have.
So which is it? Do we know NOTHING about your God or have we been offered a choice in which we do know what the alternatives are?
Originally posted by dystoniacYeah, OK: God is love, but he also sees fit to toss people into the fires to suffer horribly for all eternity if they do not submit to his will. Yeah, that makes SO much sense. The way you subvert the notion of love is just amazing.
You know NOTHING about my God! God is love! God also is Holy and cannot accept sin just as, hopefully, you cannot accept sleeping on a piss-flooded floor. You also know NOTHING about Christianity. Every thing in your post smacks of ignorance. Try reading the Bible. Don't feel sorry for me; feel sorrow for yourself for you shall surely reap what you s ...[text shortened]... eedom from the material world and the world governance ruled by the prince of darkness himself.
And no brand of your Christianity could ever set men free. Your so-called freedom is actually just plain old captivity. Your 'freedom' is merely the ability to submit to the will of another under coercion. Wow, that's some 'freedom'. We'll have to get SwissGambit to add this 'freedom' entry to the bizarro-dictionary.
Christianity does the opposite of what you claim by setting man free, for it is by choice that I, and millions of other Christians, worship God.
There is nothing "free" about such a choice: it is given under coercion. Besides, if it were a choice under which you accept responsibility, then you ought to be ashamed of the choice anyway: all the reasons at your disposal ought to recommend that such a being is not worthy of your worship.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI was referring to Lemonjello, but I will say that the Bible does state that No one has ever met God, the Spirit. No one knows God, but we have His instructions for life in the Bible.
A moment ago you claimed:
[b]Yes, you have offered the gift of life. You have reached the age of atonement. ...... you know about Christ and have been warned, as I have.
So which is it? Do we know NOTHING about your God or have we been offered a choice in which we do know what the alternatives are?[/b]
Originally posted by LemonJelloYou spout gibberish....one can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make said horse drink. If you refuse to accept God's word, I will pray for you, and maybe my intercession will open your heart. Time will tell.
Yeah, OK: God is love, but he also sees fit to toss people into the fires to suffer horribly for all eternity if they do not submit to his will. Yeah, that makes SO much sense. The way you subvert the notion of love is just amazing.
And no brand of your Christianity could ever set men free. Your so-called freedom is actually just plain old captivity ...[text shortened]... s at your disposal ought to recommend that such a being is not worthy of your worship.
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Originally posted by dystoniacWhich aspect of being threatened with eternal damnation and hellfire do you think is going to open my heart?
You spout gibberish....one can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make said horse drink. If you refuse to accept God's word, I will pray for you, and maybe my intercession will open your heart. Time will tell.
My father never had to threaten me with bodily harm in order to win my affections. Actually, it was never my father's project to win my affections per se: it was just his project to treat me well and properly care for my interests because he loved me; and my affections and admiration in return just grew naturally in such an environment, never were they forced. Why can't your God be more of gentleman like this? If your God is so loving and understanding, why does he have all these relationship problems?
Originally posted by dystoniacSo you are avoiding the question? Surely you can apply it to Lemonjello just as easily as you can to me? For any given person either he does in fact know quite a lot about God and the choices available or he has not been properly presented with the choice. You simply cannot go around telling everyone how ignorant they are whilst simultaneously telling them that they are responsible for their choices.
I was referring to Lemonjello, but I will say that the Bible does state that No one has ever met God, the Spirit. No one knows God, but we have His instructions for life in the Bible.
Originally posted by dystoniacMore evidence of Gods rather unloving nature. He does not open peoples hearts unless asked to do so. Clearly you think it is the loving thing to do, but God does not - he only does it as a favor to you. One wonders though why granting you favors is important to him.
....and maybe my intercession will open your heart. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by dystoniacSwissGambit has been landing punches smack on your jaw with his series of "bizarro" definitions. You've really got to respond, dystoniac. You cannot just try to let it lie. Deal with the points he's been making. You're taking a drubbing and I suspect you don't even see it. You simply must reply, if you can.
You are surely bizzare.
Originally posted by LemonJelloIt is man who has the relationship problem.
Which aspect of being threatened with eternal damnation and hellfire do you think is going to open my heart?
My father never had to threaten me with bodily harm in order to win my affections. Actually, it was never my father's project to win my affections per se: it was just his project to treat me well and properly care for my interests beca ...[text shortened]... If your God is so loving and understanding, why does he have all these relationship problems?
Originally posted by twhiteheadI'm not avoiding the question; I'm trying to formulate is to a fundamental level so you can undrstand it...no offense to your intelligence. All can have a personal relationship with Jesus. at the same time, one cannot know the intentions og God because He is too Holy for our mortal, sinful minds. One can know God's purpose for them if they sincerely seek. many people are ignorant about God because they choose to be; however, we are not ignorant of the results of our judgenment if we choose to ignore Christ. face it, we all, and I mean you too, have a need to connect with a higher power. That is human nature. It is the innate stirrings of our hearts yearning for purpose. We were not created to feel empty.
So you are avoiding the question? Surely you can apply it to Lemonjello just as easily as you can to me? For any given person either he does in fact know quite a lot about God and the choices available or he has not been properly presented with the choice. You simply cannot go around telling everyone how ignorant they are whilst simultaneously telling them that they are responsible for their choices.
Originally posted by FMFThat's OK, brother. I'll take a 'drubbing' in order to speak to anyone about Jesus. Here, I will turn my other cheek for SwissGambit to smack around.
SwissGambit has been landing punches smack on your jaw with his series of "bizarro" definitions. You've really [b]got to respond, dystoniac. You cannot just try to let it lie. Deal with the points he's been making. You're taking a drubbing and I suspect you don't even see it. You simply must reply, if you can.[/b]