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Originally posted by karoly aczel=====================
Cheers Mick😉
Cheers Mick
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Mick Jagger ? "Time WAS on my side."
Originally posted by AgergThank you for the reply.
I don't think there is a requirement to draw any lines. I acknowledge that you are open minded with respect to matters about spirituality and would draw your inspirations from a number of different genres of belief etc... as you'll acknowledge I lack this disposition.
As for differences between yourself ond Vishva, I fail to recall any matter of discussion ...[text shortened]... .I too have come to respect your own views (though I very rarely agree with them!) :]
Originally posted by karoly aczelI don't see why you would need to be more forceful in that I don't know what you would achieve by being so. I value the points of others not by the force, authority, exotic phraseology, or 'loudness', etc... via which they are delivered but their plausibility, relevance, accuracy, economy, etc...
Thank you for the reply.
I am what I am and sometimes I think I should be a bit more "forceful",like vishva. But ,alas,I am relatively mild mannered compared to the wealth of insights I've had regarding spirituality.
Either way, not everyone is the same. Different dispositions or dharmas.
My point here being that I dont expect everyone to agree (wit nk views about reality should have to conform. Do you? (perhaps coincide but not conform)
Originally posted by AgergPerhaps forceful is the wrong word in hindsight. Perhaps I mean more forward. More "up-front".
I don't see why you would need to be more forceful in that I don't know what you would achieve by being so. I value the points of others not by the force, authority, exotic phraseology, or 'loudness', etc... via which they are delivered but their plausibility, relevance, accuracy, economy, etc...
I don't agree that we share the same mind/spirit since at the lity" there since I don't count as reality all of the things I suppose you do ;] )
Originally posted by karoly aczelHeh...I think it was actually me that started on you! :]
Perhaps forceful is the wrong word in hindsight. Perhaps I mean more forward. More "up-front".
Yes, it seems we have different ways of connecting meanings to words(I'm sure there's a word for that?).
So I'll have to go past most of your post and just respond to the last bit.
I'd have to agree that reality depends on what facet we are considering, HO word in my last post was "seemingly" )
Anyway, didn't mean to get started on you🙂
Originally posted by AgergPretty good stuff!
Heh...I think it was actually me that started on you! :]
As for a static universe as you put it; my inclinations are stronger towards the notion of a deterministic universe. I acknowledge by virtue of a thread that I was involved in quite recently that this is more difficult to defend than I first considered when you get down to the quantum level but even t ...[text shortened]... be demonstrated on the part of some supernatural thing that such dimensions exist however.
Originally posted by karoly aczelIntelligent design and evolution...I don't see how these two concepts gel. It's not so much the invokation of god that troubles me (though I completely fail to see the need for it), more it's the fact that some of the "designs" aren't particularly intelligent. A case in point is a particularly sinister wisdom tooth of mine posturing at a 30 degree inclination from horizontal towards my back right molars. It is supposed that wisdom teeth are the redundant legacy of our distant ancestors and serve little benefit to us humans now. Are wisdom teeth an intelligent design? What about the ability for our cells to become cancerous? Is this an intelligent design? What about an immune system that attacks itself? (and what do you mean by intelligent?...God?)
Pretty good stuff!
1. There is no "pure randomness" in the universe. (imo🙂 ) For every extremity or inclination their is a counter. It is within the design(there's that word again) of every living thing. I cant explain the maths but I've read about it.
As far as design goes,I believe in intelligent design and the basic theory of evolution. alrig ting this change.
The cool part is all you have to worry is about your Agerg-ness.
Originally posted by AgergIntelligent design and evolution...I dont see how these two dont gel!
Intelligent design and evolution...I don't see how these two concepts gel. It's not so much the invokation of god that troubles me (though I completely fail to see the need for it), more it's the fact that some of the "designs" aren't particularly intelligent. A case in point is a particularly sinister wisdom tooth of mine posturing at a 30 degree inclination ...[text shortened]... ually only humans get more life; pigeons, ducks, germs etc... pulled the short straw!) :]
Originally posted by karoly aczelHeh...one point of agreement is probably a good place to stop for now. You're round about my chess ranking...game?
Intelligent design and evolution...I dont see how these two dont gel!
the word "god" is toublesome. There is no need for it...(with you)... you're right.
Teeth ARE a problem. I was just reading some literature on biology that was presented to me by my 14 yr old daughter. (Bruce Lipton,phd,"Biology of belief"😉
What a spinout! The link on my profile sooner or later.
Its been a pleasure so far-you have animated my morning🙂
Originally posted by PinkFloydI corrected that to "up front" ,"forward".
"More forceful"? More so than telling adults how toact, and what not to say?
Ya don't get much more forceful than that.
Originally posted by karoly aczelAs I recall, I did not harm your family (that would be a might hard to do over the Internet, wouldn't you agree?), but you chose to tell me how to act, what to say, what NOT to say...
I corrected that to "up front" ,"forward".
I agree with you in essence. You shouldn't tell adults how to worship, but if you just say "act"...well ...i would certainly tell how adults should act if they were harming my family. I'd probably do more than tell them too😉
Originally posted by PinkFloydSometimes I have told you how to act, that may be true. I cant recall the last time. I think if you balance out all my posts you would see that normally I am of the opposite persuasion, that I dont believe people should dictate to each other ...or at worst my views are paradoxical.
As I recall, I did not harm your family (that would be a might hard to do over the Internet, wouldn't you agree?), but you chose to tell me how to act, what to say, what NOT to say...
These are not actions that are likely to garner another's respect and friendship.