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@dj2becker saidIt’s not trolling, it’s ridicule.
Come to think of it I didn’t really peg you as an attention seeker. But maybe that does explain all the trolling.
@dj2becker saidIt’s not trolling, it’s ridicule.
Come to think of it I didn’t really peg you as an attention seeker. But maybe that does explain all the trolling.
@fmf saidSo, you get to make the 'approach' rules for this forum.
Then you should approach what I say accordingly. You must have some good reason not to believe me. Assuming you do, I suggest you are open and forthright about it, call a spade a spade, and tackle what I say on this matter in a way that is firmly based on your suspicion that I am lying.
@fmf saidI don't believe your "version" simply because I know how you manipulate what others say.
I haven't "twisted" anything. I am addressing the story about what his parents chose to do on the night of the rape. I am ignoring the different version of events that he has subsequently offered presumably because the moral implications of the original version, which he clearly had not contemplated, made him uncomfortable, and a new and more convenient version was needed.
@fmf saidWhat are you on about?
I think all that is happening here is that I am saying things that you don't agree with or don't like.
@fmf saidDidn't you?
Who thinks I am "stating the obvious"?
Do you?
@fmf said
"The effects of systematic and prolonged abuse" make it all the more crucial that there is discussion of the moral implications and obligations. Those effects do not preclude such discussion. Hardship and adversity do not make moral clarity obselete.
@secondson saidLet me reiterate. If you think I have been lying, if you feel you have every reason to think so, even if you don't want to share your reasons, even if you don't know why you should tell me what you believe I already know, even if you believe this is a sudden change, even if you think what I have said to you is me being paranoid about blah blah blah blah, then I still suggest that you approach what I say accordingly. There, I think I've answered your post thoroughly.
So, you get to make the 'approach' rules for this forum.
I have every reason not to believe you, and I don't have to share even one of them with you if I don't want to.
Besides, nobody knows better than you why I shouldn't believe you. So why should I tell you what you already know?
Edit: "That's fine by me" you said once after I said I don't believe you. Why the sudden change? Are you paranoid I know something about the real you?
@secondson saidI don't think I have been badgering or browbeating anyone.
Badgering the victim is your means. You're more interested, it seems, in browbeating the victim of abuse with questions relative to his "moral obligations" than you are in a discussion about the moral failure of the perpetrator of abuse.
@secondson saidLike I said, "the effects of systematic and prolonged abuse" make it all the more crucial that there is discussion of the moral implications and obligations. Those effects do not preclude such discussion.
It seems you're hell bent on prosecuting dj2becker as a victim, than you are in having a discussion about how to expose the perpetrators of abuse.
@secondson saidScroll back and see what it was I was referring to. It's only a couple of pages ago.
What are you on about?
@fmf saidFascinating that within a framework of moral relativism you think lying is such a big deal. What does lying even mean if truth is relative? There is no consistency to your logic. I predict more deflection here on on your part. At least that is consistent with your world view.
Let me reiterate. If you think I have been lying, if you feel you have every reason to think so, even if you don't want to share your reasons, even if you don't know why you should tell me what you believe I already know, even if you believe this is a sudden change, even if you think what I have said to you is me being paranoid about blah blah blah blah, then I still suggest that you approach what I say accordingly. There, I think I've answered your post thoroughly.
@dj2becker saidI haven't told any lies on this forum. I don't think anyone should. However, if SecondSon believes I have lied on this thread ~ which is what he has said ~ then it isn't a big deal to me. As for what "lying" means, and as you know because we have discussed many times before: I believe "lying" is when someone states something they know to be untrue in order to deceive.
Fascinating that within a framework of moral relativism you think lying is such a big deal. What does lying even mean if truth is relative? There is no consistency to your logic. I predict more deflection here on on your part. At least that is consistent with your world view.
@fmf saidHow in your mind can anything be untrue if truth is relative?
I haven't told any lies on this forum. I don't think anyone should. However, if SecondSon believes I have lied on this thread ~ which is what he has said ~ then it isn't a big deal to me. As for what "lying" means, and as you know because we have discussed many times before: I believe "lying" is when someone states something they know to be untrue in order to deceive.
@dj2becker saidGive me a scenario.
How in your mind can anything be untrue if truth is relative?
@dj2becker saidThis is a repeat of the question I answered. I'd be interested in your response to what I posted, rather than just a repeat of the question I posted a response to. Here is the long and short of it:
How in your mind can anything be untrue if truth is relative?