Originally posted by FMF
When you say "...the government has the authority from God [...]", which "government" are you referring to?

I suppose it is all governments.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I suppose it is all governments.

All governments "are appointed by God"? And "whoever resists the authority [of a government] resists the ordinance of God"? This is what you believe?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Paul believed the government has the authority from God to execute the wrath
of vengence by the sword of death on him who practices evil. See below:

yup. you're not listening. this doesn't change a thing. christians are not to support or oppose government policy, they must only submit to government authority. it is not up to christians to take vengeance or even desire it. this is in the scripture you like to ignore.

for the christian, the instructions are given clearly: turn other face, bless your enemies, do not desire vengeance, do not answer evil with evil.

your desire for vengeance and your nationalism (serving two masters) has caused you to become corrupted and you have forgotten the fundamental message of christ. it's quiet shameful that a nonbeliever has to point out your failings.

Originally posted by FMF
All governments "are appointed by God"? And "whoever resists the authority [of a government] resists the ordinance of God"? This is what you believe?

this is what they must believe. but they conveniently ignore it when it suits their purposes.
it also brings up the inconvenient concept that all capital punishment victims deserved it...ergo no innocent person is ever put to death by the government because it was god's will.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The reason Jesus did not condemn the woman to death is because the
proof was not there. In that law, the man, caught in adultry with her,
was to be put to death, also. Where was he?

P.S. I think he left, didn't he?

The woman was "caught in the very act of adultery."

Please explain to me how one person on their own can be guilty of adultery.

🙄

Where do yuo get these ideas??

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Originally posted by CalJust
The woman was "caught in the very act of adultery."

Please explain to me how one person on their own can be guilty of adultery.

🙄

Where do yuo get these ideas??

😠

That is what I mean. Where was the man she was caught with?
There was no proof of the adultry. If you read the law in the
Old testament, both the man and the woman were to be put to
death. The Pharisees were trying to trick Jesus again, but it did
not work. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
The "death penalty" all started with sin against God. Then it expanded to
sin against man. This evil in man increased to a point that God decided to
destroy all but one man and his family from the face of the earth. With
Noah, God made a new law for man that has never been repealed. It is
stated like this:

“ Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his b ...[text shortened]... rother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment."

(Matthew 5:17-22 NKJV)

Well Ron, we've come to something of an impasse here. Any man who can read the new testament and walk away still believing that the death penalty is an acceptable choice is beyond my ability to argue with. And how wonderful it must be to be to live in your world where governments and legal systems are perfect and good!

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Well Ron, we've come to something of an impasse here. Any man who can read the new testament and walk away still believing that the death penalty is an acceptable choice is beyond my ability to argue with. And how wonderful it must be to be to live in your world where governments and legal systems are perfect and good!

That is the way it is supposed to be. halleluYah !!! 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is the way it is supposed to be. halleluYah !!! (edit - idiot smug face deleted)

It is indeed the way it is supposed to be. It's not the way it is though. You do realise that don't you?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
It is indeed the way it is supposed to be. It's not the way it is though. You do realise that don't you?

Of course he doesn't, because having and valuing an accurate view of the world is rational,
and RJHinds is irrational and proud of it.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
It is indeed the way it is supposed to be. It's not the way it is though. You do realise that don't you?

Yes, I know. Then, should we just throw up or hands and accept it?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, I know. Then, should we just throw up or hands and accept it?

Well you seem more than happy to grant these self-serving liars and crooks even more powers!

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Well you seem more than happy to grant these self-serving liars and crooks even more powers!

The bad apples should be gotten rid of.

Originally posted by CalJust
The woman was "caught in the very act of adultery."

Please explain to me how one person on their own can be guilty of adultery.

🙄

Where do yuo get these ideas??

😠

If the law doesn't call what the male does adultery, that's how. (Assuming you mean the OT Jewish legal definition of guilt.) Reportedly the OT did not consider males to be adulterers, at least if they were with unmarried women (Lev 20:10), but the NT might have. It would make sense that Jesus lived in a time before NT rules were in effect in the Jewish population.

People here do not seem to know this.

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_adultery.htm

Originally posted by RJHinds
The bad apples should be gotten rid of.

I find myself suddenly uninterested in your opinions.